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Has suicide ganking become a problem? Empty freighters being ganked.

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Benny Ohu
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#2821 - 2014-09-01 00:06:14 UTC
Veers Belvar wrote:
15 minute jail sentence

same reason you get an insignificant fine or get chucked in the barracks with everything removed from your inventory but the lockpick you need to ironicquote blow this joint unironicquote and get back to slaying dragons rabbits et cetera

the reason is that a computer game and an actual jail have completely different design goals
Benny Ohu
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#2822 - 2014-09-01 00:07:57 UTC
Benny Ohu wrote:
Veers Belvar wrote:
15 minute jail sentence

same reason you get an insignificant fine or get chucked in the barracks with everything removed from your inventory but the lockpick you need to ironicquote blow this joint unironicquote and get back to slaying dragons rabbits et cetera

the reason is that a computer game and an actual jail have completely different design goals

if you had to actually sit in the prison for the full length of your sentence the game would

dragon a little

CoolCoolCoolCoolCool
Derrick Miles
Death Rabbit Ky Oneida
#2823 - 2014-09-01 00:10:19 UTC
Benny Ohu wrote:
Veers Belvar wrote:
15 minute jail sentence

same reason you get an insignificant fine or get chucked in the barracks with everything removed from your inventory but the lockpick you need to ironicquote blow this joint unironicquote and get back to slaying dragons rabbits et cetera

the reason is that a computer game and an actual jail have completely different design goals

This is a point I think a lot of people are missing in this thread. You can only draw so many real life parallels to criminal activity in the real world and in game since the consequences are far different for each. In Eve causing death and destruction is equivalent to a parking ticket.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#2824 - 2014-09-01 00:11:48 UTC
Benny Ohu wrote:
if you had to actually sit in the prison for the full length of your sentence the game would

dragon a little

CoolCoolCoolCoolCool

*dope-slap*
Nitchiu
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#2825 - 2014-09-01 00:16:43 UTC
Derrick Miles wrote:
Benny Ohu wrote:
Veers Belvar wrote:
15 minute jail sentence

same reason you get an insignificant fine or get chucked in the barracks with everything removed from your inventory but the lockpick you need to ironicquote blow this joint unironicquote and get back to slaying dragons rabbits et cetera

the reason is that a computer game and an actual jail have completely different design goals

This is a point I think a lot of people are missing in this thread. You can only draw so many real life parallels to criminal activity in the real world and in game since the consequences are far different for each. In Eve causing death and destruction is equivalent to a parking ticket.


It's more like people bring in RL comparisons to justify their beliefs and other show them how even in real life it doesn't work that way

Hengle Teron
Red Sky Morning
The Amarr Militia.
#2826 - 2014-09-01 00:38:11 UTC
Yes its a problem... there are not enough suicide gankers to fill the needs
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#2827 - 2014-09-01 00:43:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
Veers Belvar wrote:
The exact same tripe he wrote in the other two threads.


Start your own thread rather than making a mess of other peoples.

If you have an idea, start a thread in Features and Ideas where it belongs. If it deserves it, which at the moment it does, it'll get a better class of ridicule.

If you want to be taken seriously, educate yourself in how the mechanic you're talking about works; how it's done, and what the counters to it are, of which there are a few, and how they work too.

Only then will you be taken seriously.

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Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#2828 - 2014-09-01 00:55:29 UTC
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:

Only then will you be taken seriously.


Nah, he's burned that bridge by now. Time to reroll an alt.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.

Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
#2829 - 2014-09-01 00:55:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Veers Belvar
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Veers Belvar wrote:
The exact same tripe he wrote in the other two threads.


Start your own thread rather than making a mess of other peoples.

If you have an idea, start a thread in Features and Ideas where it belongs. If it deserves it, which at the moment it does, it'll get a better class of ridicule.

If you want to be taken seriously, educate yourself in how the mechanic you're talking about works; how it's done, and what the counters to it are, of which there are a few, and how they work too.

Only then will you be taken seriously.


You are confused. The title of this thread is "has suicide ganking become a problem? Empty freighters...." The fact that a bumping exploit is being used to make it much easier to gank the freighters greatly magnifies the problem. Bringing that to light, and discussing the issue, is a key part of this thread.

I'm sorry if buffing highsec would impede you and your allies tear collection and spree of destruction, but I am quite familiar with the mechanic, and my crystal clear arguments have not been adequately answered by the suicide gankers. This is because they cannot be adequately answered, so their only recourse is to switch to trolling and personal attacks. It's not helping - the truth is coming out.
Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
#2830 - 2014-09-01 00:58:20 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:

Only then will you be taken seriously.


Nah, he's burned that bridge by now. Time to reroll an alt.


Great job with the personal attacks - keep up the good work. If you try and obfuscate things enough people might miss your real agenda - preventing any kind of logical buffs to police activity in highsec.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#2831 - 2014-09-01 00:58:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
Veers Belvar wrote:
You are confused. The title of this thread is "has suicide ganking become a problem? Empty freighters...." The fact that a bumping exploit
What bumping exploit?

Quote:
is being used to make it much easier to gank the freighters greatly magnifies the problem.
What problem?

Quote:
I'm sorry if buffing highsec would impede you and your allies tear collection and spree of destruction, but I am quite familiar with the mechanic
So how come your entire argument is based on something that doesn't happen in the game? How come you keep repeating the same incorrect claims and what is going on? How come you have yet to present anything that demonstrates that the game is not working as intended?

If you are familiar with the mechanics, why is everything you say about them wrong?
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#2832 - 2014-09-01 00:59:51 UTC
You aren't familiar with the mechanic at all, you've demonstrated that quite clearly.

Especially since you keep saying stupid **** like "bumping is 100% effective" and such. Bumping pretty much only works if they are afk or really freaking stupid. Fortunately people like that are everywhere.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.

Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
#2833 - 2014-09-01 01:01:05 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
You aren't familiar with the mechanic at all, you've demonstrated that quite clearly.

Especially since you keep saying stupid **** like "bumping is 100% effective" and such. Bumping pretty much only works if they are afk or really freaking stupid. Fortunately people like that are everywhere.


And wrong again....Three bumping machariels optimally fitted can make it 100% impossible for a freighter to warp off.
Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
#2834 - 2014-09-01 01:02:16 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Veers Belvar wrote:
You are confused. The title of this thread is "has suicide ganking become a problem? Empty freighters...." The fact that a bumping exploit
What bumping exploit?

Quote:
is being used to make it much easier to gank the freighters greatly magnifies the problem.
What problem?

Quote:
I'm sorry if buffing highsec would impede you and your allies tear collection and spree of destruction, but I am quite familiar with the mechanic
So how come your entire argument is based on something that doesn't happen in the game? How come you keep repeating the same incorrect claims and what is going on? How come you have yet to present anything that demonstrates that the game is not working as intended?

If you are familiar with the mechanics, why is everything you say about them wrong?


And again....bumping to pin down a gank victim between successive waves of gankers. And as discussed, 3 machariels bumping a freighter can make it impossible for the freighters to warp off. And everything I have been saying is right.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#2835 - 2014-09-01 01:03:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
Veers Belvar wrote:
And wrong again....Three bumping machariels optimally fitted can make it 100% impossible for a freighter to warp off.
So when you say that you are familiar with the mechanics, what you actually mean is that you've heard something about the mechanics but have absolutely no idea what it is or how it works.

Because that is literally the only explanation for how you keep being 100% wrong about this in spite of having it explained to you a dozen times by now. Stop lying. it means you have no argument.

Quote:
And again....bumping to pin down a gank victim between successive waves of gankers.
No, I'm asking about this supposed bump exploit you mentioned. What is it?

Quote:
And as discussed, 3 machariels bumping a freighter can make it impossible for the freighters to warp off. And everything I have been saying is right.
Nothing you've said has ever been even remotely right. For instance, 3 Machariels bumping a freighter does not make it impossible for the freighter to warp off. You are lying. You need to stop. You need to present some actual facts, not this on-going hallucination you're living in.

So we'll call that strike #2 for real this time. On to attempt #3 — GO!
This is your last attempt. If you fail to produce a factual argument this time, we can determine once and for all that you are absolutely clueless and completely incompetent as far as discussing anything related to bumping or ganking.
Benny Ohu
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#2836 - 2014-09-01 01:04:58 UTC
Veers Belvar wrote:
Great job with the personal attacks - keep up the good work. If you try and obfuscate things enough people might miss your real agenda - preventing any kind of logical buffs to police activity in highsec.

no, a personal

you just said

i mean, that just was a

i don't even
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#2837 - 2014-09-01 01:05:11 UTC
Veers Belvar wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
You aren't familiar with the mechanic at all, you've demonstrated that quite clearly.

Especially since you keep saying stupid **** like "bumping is 100% effective" and such. Bumping pretty much only works if they are afk or really freaking stupid. Fortunately people like that are everywhere.


And wrong again....Three bumping machariels optimally fitted can make it 100% impossible for a freighter to warp off.


And since you have, as you already admitted, neither done this (which I have), nor had this done to you (which I have), you have nothing to back up that lie.

It can be easily, trivially avoided.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.

Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
#2838 - 2014-09-01 01:06:27 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Veers Belvar wrote:
And wrong again....Three bumping machariels optimally fitted can make it 100% impossible for a freighter to warp off.
So when you say that you are familiar with the mechanics, what you actually mean is that you've heard something about the mechanics but have absolutely no idea what it is or how it works.

Because that is literally the only explanation for how you keep being 100% wrong about this in spite of having it explained to you a dozen times by now. Stop lying. it means you have no argument.


Actually I sat in Uedama and watched it happen, while trying to help the Orca pilot escape - he was unable to. I even tried to counterbump the bumpers, which was ineffective. Thankfully I am 100% right, and will continue to present true and factual arguments, even if they logically lead to the conclusion that, in this instance, the ganking/bumping mechanic needs a serious nerf.
Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
#2839 - 2014-09-01 01:07:43 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Veers Belvar wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
You aren't familiar with the mechanic at all, you've demonstrated that quite clearly.

Especially since you keep saying stupid **** like "bumping is 100% effective" and such. Bumping pretty much only works if they are afk or really freaking stupid. Fortunately people like that are everywhere.


And wrong again....Three bumping machariels optimally fitted can make it 100% impossible for a freighter to warp off.


And since you have, as you already admitted, neither done this (which I have), nor had this done to you (which I have), you have nothing to back up that lie.

It can be easily, trivially avoided.


I've watched the bumping in action in Uedama. Three optimally fitted bumping Machariels can make it 100% impossible for a freighter to warp out. CODE literally does this every day, to say that it can be "easily...avoided" is nonsensical.
Lady Areola Fappington
#2840 - 2014-09-01 01:09:41 UTC
Veers Belvar wrote:
Actually I sat in Uedama and watched it happen, while trying to help the Orca pilot escape - he was unable to. I even tried to counterbump the bumpers, which was ineffective. Thankfully I am 100% right, and will continue to present true and factual arguments, even if they logically lead to the conclusion that, in this instance, the ganking/bumping mechanic needs a serious nerf.



Yeah, I suppose you can say that all you like. Just makes you look kind of silly.

The people who actually make the decision (CCP) think otherwise, and have said as much.

I mean, hell, I can point out hundreds of valid reasons why CCP should give me every skill in the game maxxed out to 5, but, it ain't gonna happen, no matter how much I insist I'm 100% right.

7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY? No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided. --Eve New Player Guide