EVE General Discussion

Gotta run for an hour or so and I don't really have time to address this, but I'd like to point out:

I think you're confused on the difference between risk and cost.

From the dictionary.

Risk: the possibility that something bad or unpleasant (such as an injury or a loss) will happen (this doesn't apply to suicide ganking as the consequence is guaranteed).
Cost: something that is lost, damaged, or given up in order to achieve or get something

Gotta run for an hour or so and I don't really have time to address this, but I'd like to point out:

I think you're confused on the difference between risk and cost.

From the dictionary.

Risk: the possibility that something bad or unpleasant (such as an injury or a loss) will happen (this doesn't apply to suicide ganking as the consequence is guaranteed).
Cost: something that is lost, damaged, or given up in order to achieve or get something

Awesome. So from now on, when I want any ship to be immune to bumping - I simply create a throwaway trial account and log in, shoot my freighter in a free Ibis, and enjoy 60 seconds of being immune to game mechanics.

I can't see anyone abusing that :P

And the fact still remains that for CONCORD to sit there and allow bumpers to pin down a gank target, while successive waves of the exact same gankers kill it is assinine, and would not be allowed by any conceivable CONCORD like force. It's obviously inconsistent with the purpose of CONCORD, and should be fixed.

Bumpers are preventing the gank victim from leaving the system with the clear intent of letting their friends come back and hill him. To have the police sitting there and not intervening is downright insane. And it's highsec - you don't need to beg friends to protect you from criminals, that's what CONCORD is for. If you don't want that mechanic, go to nullsec.

Okay, so what follows is entirely my personal opinion.

It's not a case of not "catering to the tearfilled entitled", it's a case of us staying true to the core of what EVE was built on.

Some of the people complaining in this thread have valid points about the fact that they don't feel safe. Simple fact of the matter is, that you're not suppose to feel safe in New Eden.

Eve is not a game for the faint hearted. It's a game that will chew you up and spit you out in the blink of an eye if you even think about letting your guard down or becoming complacent.

While every other MMO starts off with an intro that tells you you're going to be the savior of the realm, holds your hand, protects you, nurtures your development and ultimately guides you to your destiny as a hero along with several other million players who've had the exact same experience, EVE assaults you from the second you begin to play after you create a character, spitting you out into a universe that under the surface, is so complex that it's enough to make your head explode.

The entire design is based around being harsh, vicious, relentless, hostile and cold. It's about action and reaction, and the story that unfolds as you experience these two things.

True, we're working hard to lower the bar of entry so that more players can enjoy EVE and can get into the game. Our NPE (New Player Experience) is challenging, and we're trying to improve it to better prepare rookies for what lies out there, but when you start to play eve, you'll always start out as the little fish in the big pond.

The only way to grow is to voraciously consume what's around you, and its your choice whether that happens to be New Eden's abundant natural resources, or the other people who're also fighting their way to the top.

EVE is a playing experience like no other, where every action or reaction resonates through a single universe and is felt by players from all corners of the word. There are no shards here, no mirror universes, no instances and very few rules. If you stumble across something valuable, then chances are someone else already knows where you are, or is working their way toward you and you better be prepared to fight for what you've discovered.

EVE will test you from the outset, from the very second you undock and glimpse the stars, and will take pleasure from sorting those who can survive from those who'd rather curl up and perish.

EVE will let you fight until you collapse, then let you struggle to your feet, exhausted from the effort. Then when you can see the light at the end of the tunnel it'll kick you flat on your ass in the mud again and ask you why you deserve to be standing. It'll test you against every other individual playing at some point or another, and it'll ask for answers.

Give it an answer and maybe it'll let you up again, long enough to gather your thoughts. After a few more steps you're on the ground again and it's asking more questions.

EVE is designed to be harsh, it's designed to be challenging, and it's designed to be so deep and complex that it should fascinate and terrify you at the same time.

Corporation, Alliances and coalitions of tens of thousands have risen and fallen on these basic principles, and every one of those thousands of people has their own unique story to tell about how it affected them and what they experienced.

That's the beauty of EVE. Action and reaction. Emergence.

Welcome to the most frightening virtual playground you'll ever experience.

I would actually prefer to intelligently discuss the reasons why I dislike the current mechanics, and suggest improvements to make the mechanics consistent with the principle of highsec.

What did not make me lolz was seeing a well fit Orca ( 300k+ ehp v. Void) survive an initial CODE gank attempt with 20% structure left, get bumped by some CODe alts for 15 minutes with CONCORD sitting there doing nothing, rendering the Orca unable to warp off despite its bets efforts

CONCORD most certainly is a police force. Per the Eve Wiki "CONCORD is branched into numerous divisions, each of which handles a certain aspect of the empire relationship. Of these divisions the CAD (Commerce Assessment Department), which oversees inter-stellar trade agreements and regulations; and DED (Directive Enforcement Department), which oversees policing in space, are by far the largest and most influential."

Gee thanks....how original. I would actually prefer to intelligently discuss the reasons why I dislike the current mechanics, and suggest improvements to make the mechanics consistent with the principle of highsec. I'm the first guy to lolz when i see a Wreathe ganked with 1.5 bil in cargo inside. What did not make me lolz was seeing a well fit Orca ( 300k+ ehp v. Void) survive an initial CODE gank attempt with 20% structure left, get bumped by some CODe alts for 15 minutes with CONCORD sitting there doing nothing, rendering the Orca unable to warp off despite its bets efforts, and then seeing the exact same gankers reappear and finish off the job. To me that is a "full stop. This does not make sense" moment, and so instead of "mov[ing] out of hisec," I decided to raise the issue, and suggest a worthwile change.

I do realize that people like DJ deeply oppose this, since it will make it harder to blow things up and generate tears. Alas as far as DJ goes, I've come to doubt the genuineness of his statements, for as the great Upton Sinclair put it "It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it."