Wormholes

I mined ice before the changes and I'd rather have the old way rather than the current way as logging in and the ice belt either not being up (and you no idea how long until the next one spawns) or it so close to being empty that the only difference from the "not there" option is I at least know how long I have to wait on the next spawn. Ice prices are increasing because fewer people are mining it not because it's better. And don't even go suggesting I pick up the exhumer and go jumping to the other ice systems on the off chance they havent despawned as that takes way too much time in an exhumer.

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And btw we WH's have already adapted to this change we still keep going because we can field the people needed to combat this change (I feel sorry to the smaller guys who cant and therfore have left). but that doesn't mean we like having a piece of **** shoved down our throats and then being expected to say can I have another one

CCP needs to stop changing what works and Fix what's broken.

Lets move on and discuss the issues, the issue is not one of there being luck or no luck in Eve. Of course, one always encounters this in the holes that open, the drop of loot, or whether when missioning, you get dread pirate scarlet or a poor drone one.

Luck at this level is understandable, reasonable, and acceptable.

Where we move away from this is where it becomes totally unacceptable in any form.

EVE has always prided itself, in being a game where actions have consequences, when two players meet, the skills, training, experience, fittings, and use of the battlespace determine the outcome.

We all accept and live by this every day, we can lose all we have worked for in a moment, through bad choices, or just by being beaten by a better player.

We then pick ourselves up, rebuild and move on, hopefully learning, and always growing.

When this is replaced by a mechanic, where when one jumps through a hole, you will live or die depending on whether you are unlucky as to where you spawn, and no player choice, training, skill, tactics, or experience alters that.

Then they have completely devalued and made meaningless all the efforts the players have expended in the game up to that point.

I hope that explains the difference and what some find totally unacceptable.

Why play at all and make an effort, when everything you do can be undone by bad luck?

So that is the issue, it is literally a choice where one grinds for absolutely no purpose, as opposed to a universe where we make our own fate.

Do you see why minor tweaks and adjustments make no difference? And this toxic change Must either be rolled back or the players who see and understand it will leave?

There is no compromise.

EvE is either a game where player actions matter, or it is simply a lottery.

Wormhole polarisation is a limiting mechanic, it is something players can work with and integrate with their tactics.
If it randomly occured, we would have been having this discussion many years ago. However the designers at the time, will have realised just how bad an idea that would be, and made it a mechanic.

The actual declared goal, whilst I believe will fail to achieve the stated design goals, Is actually a secondary issue in this change.
If CCP still believe it is a desireable goal, a mechanic where the spawn distance is based on a physical limitation and not Luck, would have possibilities.

A proposal was made in the first few pages where the spawn distance, position, and speed was DIRECTLY decided by the speed, mass and direction of the jump , and that would have been logical.

It is of course easy to just reduce programming and coding time by replacing the mechanic with a RNG.

So the choice is literally, can players decide their fate through utilising all their knowledge and abilities or will they live or die by luck.

If it is just luck, then there is absolutely no point whatsoever in continuing, as one just becomes a hamster on the grind wheel, with no control of ones own destiny.

That is not an acceptable position for many to accept.

CCP will by their actions, or lack of, demonstrate which game they have decided it is.
Players will decide accordingly, and at an exponential rate once they realise what has occured, and what it means.

******* called it didn't I

100 pages to 87......well played sir well played

Everything in this thread is feedback including any discus tat your past and continuing actions / lack of actions.

Repeating the FEEDBACK: start listening to the changes that are wanted. Stop implementing changes that are stated as unwanted by the majority o fthe community that uses this part of the game.

One of the main problems here is that this is not just a simple change but instead a change that has major impact on an entire area of the game.

People have chosen to work in this area of the game because they like how it works.

For many it is not that there are other areas of that at game that they will move on to, instead it will be other games.

I do not really care what your intention is regarding player built star gates or anything else k-space has to offer. Small wormhole corporations were a game play possibility since the addition of wormholes to eve.

You have now removed this part of the game. To what end? How many players have you lost? Are you trying to close the server down by eliminating all areas for new players and growing groups?

Wow!

It appears that, Something touched a nerve.

Did they learn something about disaster management from incarna? Or is that a naïve conclusion?

It will be interesting to see what follows now, do they recover their footing, and we can all move forward together?

Or not.

All has been said, all that is left are actions or lack of them, we are of no value as a medium beyond this point, discussion now is without meaning, as they completely, totally, and clearly know that this was the point where decisions are made, and choices decided. And they know our viewpoints and breaking points.

There is no misunderstanding possible now.

All that remains are for CCP to ignore or rectify. Both are actions, even by omission.
Spin and disinformation will just be nothing more than an additional insult.
We are far beyond that stage.

We wait to see the actions taken.
Tomorrow, a fresh day will answer us. Incontrovertibly.

And the decisions, and choices we have prepared for, move into their final expression.

So we move, we leave, we cease to pay, or we accept what has been chosen for us.
There is no shame in anyone of us accepting what we are told to accept, but neither will there be any respect.

We are not going to rage, to make pointless gestures, to beat our chests and burn some meaningless group of pixels.

Our choice has become accept or do not.

And our actions will be the answer.

Nothing is left but to hear the answer or silence that starts that new and hopeful, or deeply regretted and saddening day.

Many thanks to the CSM especially Corbexx, for passing on our messages and concerns, many thanks to all the players, who have given such excellent, clear and understandable recommendations, and to those with many years of experience who have shared their knowledge and wisdom, and thanks to those who have contained their anger and frustration, enabling the message to be passed clearly on to CCP. It cannot have been easy.

This has shown the wormhole community in the best possible light.

Good luck to us all.

I am never quoting anything ever again.

y'all do realize that feedback can be received and not acted upon without breaking the general social contract of the solicitation of feedback right

shoot I got a lot of stuff that I don't like about the game but me agreeing or disagreeing with a change in a feedback thread is not the sole arbitrator of whether or not a thing goes into the game

sometimes balance changes have to go through, that is the way it is