Wormholes

I would like to second all of this. The idea that corps are going to risk multiple billions of isk trying to run any sort of PVE with a grand central station of wormholes open is ludicrous. The whole "risk vs. reward" thing is so heavily favored in the risk department it's not even an argument.

Here is how our corp events went last night.
Our scouts reported 5 wormholes 1 to a completely empty c5 one was our static ,1 to nullsec to (goonspace), one to lowsec and one to a c3. Since the c5 was completely empty of towers and scouted we decided to give the try mechanics first on that one. the orca took 20 seconds to get back and jump through. the dread took 50 seconds...... a minute sitting uncloaked in enemy space with a dread is a lifetime. After the streassful hole closer that took 3 times as long as normal we decided we had no way of rolling either the low sec or the null sec. A dread jump would be a guarantee death in either of those systems as it would only take a bat phone and a cyno to catch. Short of 30 battleship jumps which nobody was about to do we literally have no way of closing the WH now.. This all coupled with the increase in WH's in general so now we have wh's respawning at almost the rate we could even close them. End result: everyone cursed CCP starting thinking of ways to get out of the WH and logged off.

I fail to see how any of these changes generated any content considering you just killed an entire game play mechanic for the majority of the people who utilize it.

This patch So far has been such a let down. As a Wormhole dweller it is seriously going to kill any enjoyment I had for this game.

Points:
- The Mass / distance change is going to make PVE in a WH a thing of the past.
a. Nobody is going to Risk a Billion isk Capital ship closing a C5/C6 k162 anymore its too ridiculous
b. Not every corp can do 20 BS jumps through every k162 it is too time consuming
c. This has made every k162 to null a turkey shoot. If I was a Null Sec group I would Actively look for C5/C6 whs leading to the Big WH corps and sit a cloaked interdictor with cyno on it and wait for the free targets. If they use a Dread you can re-enforce till the cows come home, the c5/c6 guys used half the mass jumping through one-way and can't cap support anymore.

- already seen 3 WH corps leave C5 space and that's just personally through our C2 This is BAD! less active space is Horrible for Site spawning. If no one lives in the WH or PVE's the site the sites will collect in Dead systems and C5/C6 "large" corps are going to run out of home sites to Cap escalate. No sites no isk

And for BOB's Sake you Null sec people that DON'T understand WH life here is the Equivalent breakdown of what the Devs just did to WHs.


- No LOCAL chat at ALL
- Add 3-4 stargates connections to ALL nullsec systems
- No Cynos force all Caps to use stargates
- No Ratting all rats and belts removed
- No Pirate upgrades anymore all removed / live or die by the random ded /plex sites

If the Devs did all that to Null sec this Patch would you null Sec peeps be saying Adapt or GTFO?

Just a few general comments none of which is particularly a reaction to anything you've said. I think the dichotomy between farmer and pvper is overdone. Everyone farms somewhere, sometime and in some way, or they buy plex and outsource the farming to someone else. W-space offers one opportunity to farm where you also find PVP - if this relationship starts breaking you end up with no reason to live in lots of w-space - if this is a side effect of trying to screw over farmers, then it is the wrong fix for the problem such as it is.

At some stage some of those smaller corps (especially in the lower end holes) are going to look at risk/reward, say screw that and go off and run incursions on alts or chain forsaken hubs in null and make isk some other way in order to fund PVP whether that be in w-space or elsewhere.

Dearest CCP,

I have been watching the forums and reading peoples responses and your reaction to this fiasco since day one. Before I get into the details about what I can think could be done, since apparently you would enjoy some constructive feedback because you claim there has been none, which is dim whited and entirely untrue, I would like to tell you a bit about my self to show I have some experience in the topic, something you have not.

I have been a member of WH space for about two years, I started when I only had a few million skill points and have lived here ever since that point. I've been through a number of corps experiencing small gang and large fleet wormhole combat. In real life I have a Doctorate in Social Psychology, the study of groups of people, their reactions to topics, etc etc. I am also a businessman, who worked very closely with my fellow businessmen to found what is now a Multi-Million dollar law firm. Thus I feel I have some experience in trying to help solve this fiasco you have dug yourself into.

First I would like to address you CCP on your behavior on these forums that were built on the foundation of encouraging player feedback in this player driven game, something your CEO and the entire CCP Team prides itself on. But, every time CCP Fozzie or even worse, CCP Falcon, a community manager, posts in this thread it shows myself and every other player the exact opposite of what CCP prides itself on, a player driven game where CCP listens to it's players. You request we post in another feedback thread as if this thread is not good enough, or the thread that pre-dated this one is not sufficient enough to satisfy you. CCP is a business, your actions reflect how the public look upon you, and if an outsider would open up the Wormhole sub-thread and look at how CCP was responding to the thread, would he or she be satisfied and think to himself, "Man, those CCP Dev's, they really do work for the players". Of course they wouldn't, and you must remember this.

CCP, you ask us to be professional on the forums. Some of us of course break these rules, using bad language, racist remarks, of course that is unacceptable, but players getting angry at CCP and calling members of CCP out for the lack of feedback is completely understandable. Locking, banning, closing, removing posts critiquing the actions by CCP only shows weakness in the eyes of the players as you clearly can not handle feedback, much like a child.

"I might be a horrible troll on the forums sometimes" -CCP Falcon

That is CCP Falcon saying he is a troll, the community manager saying he is a troll. One must remember this is a business, and saying you are a troll....what do you think that makes us as players think of you as, or how we view you? Not a professional look.

Moving on from the lack of good presentation to the public audience in the forums, lets delve into what we can do ingame, we being CCP. Again, CCP Falcon states that he and many others play the game. I find this believable, but definitely not in any active wormhole space groups. The changes that hit Tranquility in Hyperion is concrete evidence of this. CCP, I understand what you are trying to do, I really do. CCP Fozzie has said it before, I know you guys had good intentions to create more content with the mass change and the frigate wormholes, but when your customers say No! you have to throw away that idea (or critique it to make customers happy) because in the end we are the customers and the customers should always come first.

So I have talked alot, but where is the solution? Remove it, completely. You should not feel obligated to fill the void of a bad idea with another feature. You are thinking to yourself right now, "We spent long hours designing this" well I'll work for days to prepare a report for lawyers on the best strategy to win a case, if they say no, I first try to convince them that my proposal will work, but if they still don't agree I have to rewrite my proposal because that's what they are paying to me to do.

One last thing before I end this painful report. I want numbers, stats, graphs of all sorts on how this change has affected wormhole space. If you CCP have the audacity to ignore the players for this long, atleast show us where you are coming from with the fanfare of "This change is for the better". Because as of right now, that fanfare of great change has yet to show itself. I want to see real results, hard numbers on everything you planned to affect with this change. If you projected Frigate kills to go up, I want to see a graph on it. Expected PvE activity to go down? Want to see numbers on it. Things like this CCP help ensure that we has customers are not in the dark as you at CCP develop these new features. At this moment, you at CCP have alot of talk, I keep hearing about this fanfare of greatness, but it's more like a musical illiterate person telling me about a great band that I have never heard of before. So give us some numbers, good or bad, we should at least be entitled to that.

I expect this to be struck down, I welcome this as it only reinforces that CCP is worried.

Have a great day!
-Luft

We are all sitting here in a Mexican stand off with TLC because neither side will roll and neither side trusts the other's numbers enough to ensure a blob doesn't happen.