Wormholes

You say that, but when we have Hard Knocks rolled into our hole with a visible fleet thats 4x my available corpmates, it's time to log. Can't do much about that, even under the current mechanics. Lots of time with my WH corp is spend not doing anything because that kind of opposition can't really be won against. We've tried, and the shiny T3s get replaced, the pods get refilled, and we move on. Now the environment is being made more hostile.

The other issue is my wormhole corp only operates for a few hours a day because most of us actually work for a living. I know, I know, it's a novel concept among EVE players from what I see in chats, but there you have it. My schedule differs from that of my corpmates; I have more time some days, and no time others. Hence finding stuff to do the days I can't do WH ops due to no fleet, hence trying almost every aspect of highsec and many aspects of lowsec when the rest of my group can't fly.

Who said we didn't notice? It happened before our full group was logged in, and we had scouts observing them. We made the call of whether or not to engage, checking the numbers in their hole and our connecting systems.

Trying to dismiss observations about life in a small WH corp in a C5 as a "smaller hole" makes sense if you're in a C6. Some of the trolls trying to argue where this character originates from instead of arguing against what I have stated are trying to skip over whats been said without actually directly countering it. Its called taking the easy way out. In politics it's called mud slinging.

You are assuming things. Thats fine. Assume.

Instead of trolling a player, lets try debating about the purpose of this thread: the changes to spawning distance of hole rolling ships.

Lets discuss the implications of having to use a fleet of smaller, less expensive ships and the likelihood of losing ships on the wrong side of the hole when it closes due to mass variance. That is the key one to why Orcas and capitals are used. Now CCP is declaring that these ships need to be placed at far more risk for smaller groups, and take far more time to use in the case of larger groups.

Why is CCP against WH space rolling holes? Who benefits? What entities are going to be grateful for this change when it is coupled with the K162 spawn changes?

Some WH groups may enjoy the changes. I know that, for a small group, we're now practicing on SiSi how to tackle and kill enemy ships while they are rolling as these guys are now being handed to us as victims. We are also practicing methods to close our own exits under the new changes so we're prepared for how the fights might develop and be either countered or taken advantage of.

I am still opposed to the changes as written, but preparing and adaptating is the counter in-game. I will still argue against it, while you argue against me. So I put forth ideas, and you put forth personal attacks, and lets see who makes more progress, hmm?

First, you don't have to anchor a POS to live in a wormhole.

Second, you don't have to live in a wormhole to use them to make money.

Finally, you don't have to be in a player owned corporation to play EVE, even in a wormhole.

I tell you, some player corps just can't think outside a POS bubble anymore.

The whole WH rolling thing is only about rebalancing stuff, lads.

WH are a milk cow from which you can sell ISK for bucks real easy.


EVE is supposed to be risk versus reward.

Small groups in WH need to move and do sites they can complete in short time.


What makes WH life dangerous in the first place is the cloaking module - not the sleepers.

What WHs need is a ship that can take clone - not the rorc, a smaller and faster ship.

You are irrelevant.

What some people don't seem to see is that the end result, no matter the ideals behind it and how valid they might be, would be very similar to doing something like making it so that say ships jumping to a cyno couldn't dock, enter a POS FF or log off for 5 minutes after jumping - it would largely result in making day to day activities very tedious, when it does result in someone taking advantage of the increased risk preys on the smaller weaker entities and largely doesn't affect the bigger entities as they have the logistics to backup ships in that position and the burden comes down less on individual members so there is less effect from the burn out (though its still very tedious even for them).

Pushing this change through is just bone headed.


(EDIT: Also can obviously draw comparisons to range based exit on cynos)

WHs where never been meant to be inhabitated and POSsed. The POS code was simply forgotten - nowadays many WHs have multiple POSs.

Players tend to abuse game mechanics - WHs are nothing than ISK cows - and with the rolling of holes WH ppl even had and have the chance to control access to their WH.

What we see is a try to make EVE more risk versus reward.

Today ppl even build stuff and do PI in WHs - WHs (C1s) are a kind of industrial base.

Delicious Tears.

I'm really beginning to think I'm the only person in wspace that actually likes it.
I don't go to WHs for constant PVP, you go to nullsec for that.
I don't go to WHs for free ISK, you go to HS incursions or market trading for that.
I go to WHs because the mechanics and environment are the best available in EVE and nothing else is remotely close.

Do what you wan't in WHs, I don't care. I don't rely on other people to enjoy living in WHs because I genuinely like how they work and what you can do in them.
People keep saying 'I want more PVP' or 'PVE is too safe' or 'PVE is too risky'.
None of this has any relevance to the bottom line of WHs being awesome.

WHs don't owe you a god damn thing. If you can't generate your own content, they're not for you and that's fine, there are other places out there that you can go.
For years everyone, including CCP, has been saying the WH space is the best working space in EVE and yet, here we are changing one of the basic fundamentals of wspace.

So, wormhole space has been widely regarded as the one part of eve that just works, the system design either accidentially, or through the work of the Genius/geniuses who created it, has not only worked but is mechanically consistent and trusted, much like a well loved Mercedes.

Now it appears, that working well is no longer desireable or sufficient.

So the well loved Mercedes has had air introduced into the braking system.

It now requires you to pump the pedal, repeatedly.

And sometimes, just by chance, you or your passengers die. Fun? Right?

Great job , you must feel very proud of your efforts with this.

If you feel players are angry you are very mistaken.

The emotion we are feeling is contempt.
With a side order of disappointment, and disgust.

You have squandered and betrayed our respect.

Have a word with marketing, and ask them, what contempt from one's customers does to a business.

Hint:- you will dearly wish it had been just anger.