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CCP Response Regarding SOMER Blink Concerns

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Adrie Atticus
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#81 - 2014-08-20 20:06:04 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Adrie Atticus wrote:
As Falcon said that there is no proof of RMT you can figure it out yourself.

Where did he say that?

Adrie Atticus wrote:
Wrik Hoover wrote:
CCP should ban anyone who played Somer Blink in the last month, because they were activly helping someone to RMT.

Get out of my game u pay2win scum, ur ruining my gaming experience.

Did you even read what Falcon posted?

There was no evidence of RMT.

Did you? There is no such claim in the post. All they're saying on the matter is that “[they] will not comment on whether any such violation actually occurred.” This is per usual for RMT investigations.


There was no mention of a ban happening because of the RMT clauses of the EULA but he did disclose (against normal policy) the sections which were used against somer in the ban consideration.

Unless you can summon Falcon to confirm this, the ban had nothing do to with RMT.
Mangala Solaris
Blue Republic
RvB - BLUE Republic
#82 - 2014-08-20 20:06:16 UTC
Marsha Mallow wrote:
Sion Kumitomo wrote:
What kind of Comrades of Stellar Meetings would we be if we didn't march in step?

We've been waiting for spoon thowing competitions for ages now, make it happen P


Would paying Ankh to give us lessons be too much?
Retar Aveymone
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#83 - 2014-08-20 20:06:27 UTC
Jarnis McPieksu wrote:
Any consideration regarding the fact that this action will most likely remove a large number of unique items from the game (namely, numerous AT prize ships and other not-obtainable-ever-again type ships that are/were in possession of Somer)?

A potential solution would be to auction these unique items through public contracts with the ISK going to CCP (ie. removed from the game). Might even help fight the inflation a bit :)

ironically, ccp doing that through somer was the exact thing that first focused the community's eye of sauron on what was going on with somer's old rmt operation
Zedrik Cayne
Standards and Practices
#84 - 2014-08-20 20:06:56 UTC
Mr Epeen wrote:
Frantico wrote:

so what ccp should do is hold a auction of the seized Unique ships that way ccp can get eve history ships back out there to the public AND get alot of isk out of the game back to ccp.



No. They absolutely shouldn't. They have never removed assets from accts before to return to the game.

You really want every ban to become a 'EVE banned me for my assets' threadnaught? Their only option is to walk away from this and leave the whiners to whine. It's not whether they would be honest about it. It's whether they'd be perceived to be honest.

Banning accts and taking the assets to recycle is a can of worms that CCP really doesn't want to open.

Mr Epeen Cool


Too late. If you go back to some of the economics bits in CSM8's minutes talks you may remember that they have banned accounts and siezed PLEX, and then returned the plex to the market to guide the market. The can of worms is open.

I has a sad for Blink. Never played, know many who did play. And hope that the controlled shutdown goes as controlled as controlled can.

I honestly feel like I just read fifty shades of dumb. --CCP Falcon
Tao Dolcino
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#85 - 2014-08-20 20:07:12 UTC
Ah, finally a clear and straight action, CCP.
How often i would have loved to see that kind of behavior and communication during all these years, all these crisis which slowly destroyed every last crumbs of trust.
Keep it that way : Honesty, transparency and equality. Then maybe you'll save EVE from rotting after all.
Good job.
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#86 - 2014-08-20 20:07:26 UTC
Mr Epeen wrote:
Frantico wrote:

so what ccp should do is hold a auction of the seized Unique ships that way ccp can get eve history ships back out there to the public AND get alot of isk out of the game back to ccp.



No. They absolutely shouldn't. They have never removed assets from accts before to return to the game.

You really want every ban to become a 'EVE banned me for my assets' threadnaught? Their only option is to walk away from this and leave the whiners to whine. It's not whether they would be honest about it. It's whether they'd be perceived to be honest.

Banning accts and taking the assets to recycle is a can of worms that CCP really doesn't want to open.

Mr Epeen Cool

For once you've made a post that I agree with.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
111010110
The Darwin Initiative
#87 - 2014-08-20 20:07:56 UTC
CCP Manifest wrote:
there's a darn good chance my eyeballs and others read it during the course of the investigation.

Now for a nap.
I'd cuddle with Falcon, but he's across the ocean.



OK nap time over, back to regularly scheduled programming.


/me hugs Manifest, I always wanted a big brother :-)


Wait, you'd cuddle with Falcon instead of Leeloo?
TheMercenaryKing
Collapsed Out
Pandemic Legion
#88 - 2014-08-20 20:08:32 UTC
CCP, I want to say thank you. Not for banning someone, but for sharing the result with the community as openly as you did.

I think this is the first time CCP has publicly announced a specific person and their alts were banned. With potential RMT situations like this, falsely representing CCP, and the other unspecified reasons, I think it is a good idea to move forward with publicly denouncing people like this. I think this will also show CCP that they should not use player run 3rd parties for promotions like those special edition ships (Not the Scorpion issue they had in the past) and in-game assets.

While I still, as always, question the long term future of EVE, I am happy with this result and it has restored a small portion of trust to CCP in me.
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#89 - 2014-08-20 20:08:53 UTC
CCP Manifest wrote:
Thanks for posting.

I consider posting to be the highest form of PVP.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
#90 - 2014-08-20 20:09:04 UTC
CCP Manifest wrote:
I'd cuddle with Falcon, but he's across the ocean.


Im sure that CCP provides some sort of tele-presence spooning device as part of its benefit package. Don't let a few thousand kilometers of water get in the way of office bromance.

Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?
Abrazzar
Vardaugas Family
#91 - 2014-08-20 20:09:32 UTC
Uniques aren't unique as long as there is more than one left. We merely got a bit closer to that.

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Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
Vote Steve Ronuken for CSM
#92 - 2014-08-20 20:10:05 UTC
Marsha Mallow wrote:
Thanks to all involved for dealing with this appropriately, especially Falcon for going above and beyond with updates and maintaining a dialogue with the players.

I know the CSM were already on their way for the Summit, but it's clear the non-attendees were involved too and I imagine emergency meetings gobble up a fair chunk of time. You don't often get chance to demonstrate all the work put in, but incidents like this make it obvious just how valuable community reps are.

Pleasantly surprised you permabanned the person involved so swiftly (making that internal communication public really did cross the line). Fair play to him for agreeing to honour ingame obligations though, let's hope the organisation follows through.


Just a note:

The Summit's next month. Any of us flying were for completely different reasons.

I kind of feel sorry for the Americans, alarm clocking the early morning meetings. I just snuck in from work.

Woo! CSM XI!

Fuzzwork Enterprises

Twitter: @fuzzysteve on Twitter
Rroff
Antagonistic Tendencies
#93 - 2014-08-20 20:10:06 UTC
CCP Falcon wrote:

At this point, the facts become muddy. Some claim SOMER Blink received cash from the affiliate as part of the transaction. Some believe SOMER Blink paid inflated ISK prices as a means to undercut other authorized PLEX resellers. Some assert this was simply a value-added service, allowing players to redeem their PLEX without having to go through the steps of personally selling it on the in-game market. In response to the appearance of impropriety in the promotion, the EVE Community team helped lead an immediate investigation.


Anyone who purchased GTC via a* somer blink referral link during the period that the previous GTC promotion was suspended and the resumption of the new offer onwards would be credited 1 credit per GTC referral.

This credit could then be redeemed for 1x PLEX to ISK transaction which Somer would pay an above market value for as a "loyalty bonus" for supporting Somer via the GTC purchase.

That is pretty much the long and short of it, I can't speak as to any intentions of under cutting other services, etc. but the intention wasn't as a value added service.



* As far as I'm aware during this time period the only option was MD
Crazy Mineer
Shifting Sands Trader Cartel
Dead Pixels Inc
#94 - 2014-08-20 20:10:16 UTC
QQ somer
General Nusense
Doomheim
#95 - 2014-08-20 20:10:27 UTC
Remember kiddies, Even if a CCP VP of Sales says its ok and go ahead with your promotion, DONT DO IT.

Made a signature so I am taken seriously on the forums, since thats the only thing they are good for.
Alli Ginthur
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#96 - 2014-08-20 20:10:33 UTC
Abrazzar wrote:
Uniques aren't unique as long as there is more than one left. We merely got a bit closer to that.


And let's hope CCP agrees with that sentiment!
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#97 - 2014-08-20 20:10:52 UTC
Brahan Seer wrote:
Ridiculous. You want fair than yeah you should be banned siggy creators should be banned killboards should be banned. They get isk and have an account business related.
How is it business related if they just get ISK?

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Load of crap Somer did nothing to hurt the health of the community and you all at CCP know it.
You mean aside from raising multiple severe concerns about favouritism, engaging in RMT, and as mentioned putting the integrity of the CCP-community relationship in question?

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Bunch of ******* tools who don't care about the community, your just puppets for CCP to use as a scapegoat when they do **** people don't like to use you as a visage of what the community wants is a fallacy that needs to be purged from this game.
When have they ever done that? And how is it a fallacy to use the CSM to communicate with the community?
111010110
The Darwin Initiative
#98 - 2014-08-20 20:13:12 UTC
Mangala Solaris wrote:
Marsha Mallow wrote:
Sion Kumitomo wrote:
What kind of Comrades of Stellar Meetings would we be if we didn't march in step?

We've been waiting for spoon thowing competitions for ages now, make it happen P


Would paying Ankh to give us lessons be too much?


...
corbexx
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#99 - 2014-08-20 20:14:06 UTC
Brahan Seer wrote:
Sion Kumitomo wrote:
Karbowiak wrote:
Whats up with the CSM circlejerk? lol Lol


What kind of Comrades of Stellar Meetings would we be if we didn't march in step?



Bunch of ******* tools who don't care about the community, your just puppets for CCP to use as a scapegoat when they do **** people don't like to use you as a visage of what the community wants is a fallacy that needs to be purged from this game



Thought you quit already. Anyway off to do more wh testing.

Corbexx for CSM X - Wormholes still deserve better
Edward Harris
Inner Geek
#100 - 2014-08-20 20:14:09 UTC
Tippia wrote:

And how is it a fallacy to use the CSM to communicate with the community?


How is it a fallacy to discuss banning a player with the goon-infested CSM? Are you being serious?