EVE General Discussion

The force of course.

Silly question :D

couldn't afford the jacket?

LOL,I had exactly the same thought

There are good ways to make money. Let's assume that in this case it's making the game a more enjoyable experience, with as many happy players as you can. Somehow i'm not sure bots and an army of alts are an enjoyable experience for people facing them: low ore price for highsec carebears, worthless LPs for mission bears (like me), empty ice belts, no pick-up groups for raids (= incursions) because my army of bots is more submissive, etc. To make the best use of a freighter CCP blackmails you: you either have to use a scout and a webber or you have to ask your corp mates to do boring **** so that you can deliver your crap at jita. Since you don't want people from your corp to run away you have to use alts.

Now if the game isn't profitable without bots then i'd start panicking if I were a CCP executive. I'd start making a lot of drastic changes to make my game attractive again and more about player interaction instead of blackmailing my playerbase so that they start buying more accounts to reach an acceptable level of safety (ie making the ISK losses/income balance <1) to do stuff. I don't know if the game is profitable or not without alts but making freighters flyable without alts, which means makking them viable in a pvp environment, well, that can't hurt for sure.

Wow, and now the "shut up". You must really be frustrated at this point. But unlike some people I try not to talk too much about what I don't know (hint, hint).

And again...no. There is already a cause-effect relationship from bumping. That is why the ship moves when bumped. That is the physics part which would not have to change. You would just add a damage component. This game has a damage component and it could be adapted to bumping. That does not require an entire recoding of the game as we already have collision effects (projectile weapons hitting other ships).

Anyway let's go back to blowing up transports. Mainly untanked transports in hi sec. And let's apply the EvE logic irl. I fully understand tanked transports in Somalia, but in middle America USA? Sorry, I can't get the logic other than people need a kill mail and will do anything for it. Which btw is also EvE logic. The police can't catch you but they can send you a postcard.

But if we truly become ethereal we should be able to collide with other ethereal things including other ships in warp :D

Forget alts, CCP just wants untethered access to you SSN and life savings, but at least I'm told I'll get a "rare" frigate.

Isn't it obnoxious?


I agree with everything you've said but it seems better to me if they make it so smaller vessels cannot bump larger ones or do away with bumping entirely. Its just ridiculous that this "emergent gameplay" has been accepted by CCP as a means to prevent other players from warping without using warp disruptors and irrespective of warp core stabilizers. It looks ridiculous too, and is not fair gameplay, but CCP still apparently doesn't think its a problem enough to do anything about it. It just goes to show you how separated they are from the concept of fair gameplay in some instances. There are so many things like that that are only not considered a problem only because not a lot of people were doing it.

For instance anyone can scan you down fly into your your level 4 mission, blow up or steal your mission objective and basically screw you over with a enormous standings penalty that could take weeks to recover from, with no penalty or risk of repercussion to the aggressor whatsoever.

I'll be honest here.

If there was only one thing I could change about the game, it would be the bumping mechanic. It's not just about bumping as an annoying thing to do in high sec.

Ever see a dog fly across the room when a flea jumps on it? No? You can do it virtually with a titan and a frigate.

It's just a dumb mechanic. I know CCP won't do anything about it any time soon, but I can always dream.

Mr Epeen

Well it might happen if the frigate was doing about 500 times what they actually do in game, bit like a bullet knocking a much large can off a post.

However with the relative velocities compared to the masses in game it is rather silly.

Basically in an oversimplified form, if you work out the ratio of the frigates mass to the target ships mass, that should give you the percentage of the frigates velocity that gets transferred to the target if the frigate stops dead.


Example.

Punisher of mass 1 million kg hits Dominix of mass 100 million kg at 1000m/s.
You should expect after collision the Dominix to move away at 1000/100 = 10 ms