EVE General Discussion

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So in the above a person points out that Jita would be a mess if collision caused damage, an artifact of bad coding. This is one reason EvE is not intuitive, the laws of physics are secondary to CCPs ability to code.

So what would happen in real space? First they would have some sort of traffic control to prevent collisions. Pretty sure CCP could implement that. Also seeing the success other markets would open up nearby, success breeds competition. We players could do that. But no CCP and we sit on hands because Jita must be Jita. Instead we have a bogus collision mechanic which (surprise, surprise) can be exploited.

Adapt or die does not apply just to new pilots.

I'd like to see you address the issues Scipio raised in this response to your original suggestion.
He's not the first one to raise them when faced with the "bumping causing damage" suggestion, I think, and I was about to write something similar before noticing it had already been said, but sadly not responded to.

The laws of physics are secondary to most forms of entertainment. Films, comics, games, books etc. all make use of a phenomenon known as willing suspension of disbelief, which is where the viewer, reader, player etc puts aside what they know to be true about the world and embraces the reality presented to them.

In Newtonian space, I would say stuff would go either go boom or end up with a dirty gurt hole in it, or both, depending on who bumped what.

Ask a astronautical engineer/ physicist what would happen if an object with a mass of 104,000+ tonnes travelling at nearly 1.5km/s (Machariel, 100mn mwd) impacted an object with a mass of 940,000 tonnes that is travelling at 65m/s (Obelisk), it doesn't matter how big the object being impacted is, it's going to make a bit of a mess.

By traffic control are you suggesting a hardcoded "you can't undock until the undock is clear" or something akin to traffic lights? If the former then it would would considerably affect the amount of docks and undocks a station could handle as well as put unnecessary strain on the node, if the latter you'd see people shooting the red lights, just as they do in the real world.

CCP already rerouted traffic around the former trade hub via changing the stargate destinations, the result was Jita. If CCP did implement traffic control as you suggest the probable result would be the systems surrounding Jita would become, for all intents and purposes, part of Jita.

Convenience is everything, and Jita is extremely convenient due to its position and accessibility from all four empires. If CCP changed the gate network to make Jita not so convenient, we'd find somewhere that was and Jita 2.0 would be born.

There are counters to the bumping mechanic. A mechanic which CCP, who are the only people that count in this regard, do not see as an exploit.

This is about the only thing you posted that makes any sense.

Confirming that video games and science fiction should always follow every law of physics and that the dev team needs to get on top of this before EVE is dying and grrrr goons :)

It's called "game mechanics" and "adapt or die". Learn the rules, learn how to work with them - win all the time, all day, every day!

Why is it completely untrue? You need to support your responses or they are just....meh.

Recode the entire base game!? I will let the software gurus explain why the entire base game does not have to be recoded to add damage (something that exists in game) to collisions (something that exists in game). And causing that damage to eventually result in a response (something that exists in game).

A change to bump mechanics would make miner ganking that much easier

Imagine, if you will, a simple Mackinaw pilot mining away merrily in a belt. I then land in the belt in [insert ship here] and wait somewhere near him, preferably between him and the station. He can't begin to align to warp out because if he does, he'll bump into me and cause damage to me and then get his ass spanked by CONCORD. I don't even have to lose my ship to gank miners.

makes sense.

Another problem with suicide ganking that its proponents do not seem to want to acknowledge is that suicide gankers take no significant risks, aren't worthwhile to go after, and are able to inflict incredible losses on others while making incredible profits, all within the safety of high-sec.

It is really appalling how ignorant CCP are of the effects of their own bad policies. The casual, newer players that pay cash for their subs, don't have a reason to visit the forums and don't know everything about the game are usually always the victims of suicide ganking and the margin trading scam.

Imagine a guy who has been playing this game casually, doing hauling missions or mining, and saves up a lot of money and puts everything he has into a hauler or into buying a freighter or exhumer. He doesn't pay close attention to the forums and isn't even aware that its possible for people to bump his hauler or frighter or exhumer and gank it before he can warp. These overly common types of victims are the ones who are easily going to be say F this game. When you look at the risk vs reward, its totally out of whack. Griefers and pirates have it far too easy in this game and ganking grows ever more popular, being one of the only high profit, low cost, zero risk activities in the game.

I neither advocated for or against the current system, and you appear to have missed my first paragraph which addressed the role of physics in entertainment. I shall repeat it for you.

An example of this is that we all know that Superman can't actually fly, but we're willing to believe he can for the purposes of entertainment.

Actually, I'm with Riyria on this, it doesn't appear that you did at all yet.


That's fine. I'm always open to the possibility that things could be different. Each choice in game design could always be different and EvE could have a different set of mechanics to what it currently does and we'd be none the wiser.

However, what was addressed was your suggestion about the way to change it. Nothing more. Even if it was changed to the way you expressed, it would have the opposite effect to what you want to achieve.


Sure shields regenerate. But since we are now imagining that the rate of regeneration is going to be more than the damage caused by the freighter or other ship on autopilot, we can also imagine that a ganker could deliberately deplete his shields before jumping in front of that freighter.

Shield regeneration wouldn't be the saviour you are looking for.


Haha, no. Unfortunately, bumping doesn't provide me any benefits. It's not a mechanic I use often. I think twice since I've been playing EvE, both as part of fights in lowsec.

But addressing how your suggestion wouldn't be exploitable would be an interesting read. How for example would your suggestion not be exploitable in the way I outlined?