EVE General Discussion

There's no relationship between freighter slots and being able to post in GD.

I'm not in an NPC corp but I'm a forum character, next it would be you need 10 people in a player corp to be able to post. But wait we already have a forum like that...

NPC corp players have just as much right to post in GD as anyone else.


As for more freighter slots, sounds reasonable current amount of slots makes it boring fitting one.

They're entirely unrelated. I disagree with his statement, and I also pointed out how him being a very obvious troll alt is an excellent example of how the NPC corp alt makes it too easy to troll without any consequences, as he is the latest incarnation of some jackass trolling GD with his half baked "opinions".

And that, if you ask me, the ability to endlessly troll with NPC alts should be removed.

Except that the vets already adapted. That's why we're vets.

you just came up with an exceedingly terrible idea to accommodate the 'make bumping do damage' terrible idea

Damage effects is a suggestion that is regularly made in threads on bumping.

The main problem is it's rare that we really sit down to design a mechanic and think about all of the different ways that it could be used by players.

For example, even if you ignored station games due to invulnerability timers on undocking, no such luxury exists at gates.

Autopiloting in highsec would become suicide because all a ganker would need is to line ships in front of yours and you would bump yourself to death. They don't even have to bump you. You'll be bumping them. You'll be the aggressor.

This would be extremely easy to do because autopilot goes gate to gate in a straight line and ships land 15km from gate. It doesn't even need any guess work to see where ships are going to drop out of warp and what vector they'll be on.

Park ships along the lines and let Freighters kill themselves.

A 'logical' solution to that might be to allow AP to warp to 0 (another common request). But, that won't solve the problem either.

All a ganker has to do is line up on the other side of the gate and then scram you when you spawn on grid. Then you align to next gate but don't warp. While you slow boat, ships park in front of you and you kill yourself.

That is not possible under the current mechanics, but you made it very convenient with the next part of your suggestion.



Combined with your first suggestion, this is fantastically exploitable. A ganker can now freely activate a scram on you and stop you warping away. That makes it even easier to arrange for you to bump yourself to death.



The recognisable, well defined line already exists. Any module activated against another player leads to Concord. Clear and simple and not exploitable (normally).


I generally try to be reasonable in considering people's suggestions. For this suggestion though, it would achieve the exact opposite effect that you are looking for.

Gankers would become the victims of aggressive bumping under the game mechanics and Carebears would become the Gankers, being Concorded every time they tried to travel anywhere.

That's not logic I want to taste anymore of.

I'll go ahead and make that argument right now.

Slots don't come without costs. That's the big lesson in all of the freighter changes, by the way. If they got rigs to boot, it would be even worse.



Should have bought a permit.




Apparently it is permitted to live to put all the ganking whines in one place, that way we know whom to wardec.

This. We are all potential targets to be killed.
No matter what we're flying. This how it is. This is how it has been. This is how it should be.
Blood makes the grass grow.

This could be interesting, if the bumper is a shield logi. CCP would have to detemine who actually is the bumper, to sort this out.

It seems ganking is only a problem for the person that got ganked - for everyone else its hours of entertainment as the ganked miss the point of a game where anyone can do anything they want.
Ganking happens, it is legitimate in most cases, in others it is just trolling for fun.
I myself have not been ganked, although this character is new, i had played EVE a few years ago and the closest I got was someone scanning me down in a mission area and locking on to me (they would have fooled me into shooting them if they had waited for NPC ships to be on the grid and locking me as well - as it was it was just them so I bugged out). Maybe im on at the wrong time? Maybe its because when ever I haul stuff I warp to zero, keep a very close eye on local and do more than one trip so there is never anything of value in my hold (in the vain hope that there are gankers in it for profit still out there)

In WoW (way back in the day) if I saw someone of the opposing faction with an afk tag I would nuke them and /emote teabagging their corpse without hessitation, I dont see why people think it should be different here?

I am going to pick this one out of the, several. Since the analogy used was the worst.


Why do you gank something, why do you think you should be protected while you do so, why are you not up for a challenge?

Basically you are a wannabe gangster, not able to live the life, but can buy the outfit.

I real dislike care bear PvP tough guys, they really annoy me. They will exploit every corner to get a stupidly unfair fight. Then they whine like three year olds every time some makes them work a little harder.


High Sec has its protections, because unharmed haulers are slow easy targets, just ask any null sec guy why industry is so hard there. It is not the production lines or the lack of materials as much the complete lack of an ability to move them (without Jump freighters and their inherent cheesiness).