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i have some ideas for CCP

maybe all incursion sites no longer have a specific name tag to it. IE - no more OTA, NMC, NCN, TCRC, etc names. they are all now "vanguard" or "assault" etc

by scraping this naming convention, maybe CCP should fully re-organise what spawns inside of a site. instead of a straight warp in to what is expected, maybe CCP should have a base element of random-ness (manageable level of course) in every site, instead of a straight course of expectedness. IE -- mining mission sometimes give you security mission? 10%? (do they still?) it is a PVE element after all aint it?

maybe CCP should rethink a site broken into pockets and gated segments, and each pocket/gated part + parts are result of how fleets trigger the site. or CCP can choose to fully randomize the trigger.

so in all, all the basic sites we know as NMC, OTA, TCRC are re-org into spawn triggers. and every site has a starting standard spawn containing ALL the triggers for any of these pocket/gated variances.

therefore, a fleet comes in, they whack the triggers, and the variety of spawn goes a certain way wave - wave - wave and it becomes a TCRC. they whack the triggers another way, and the wave - wave - wave it becomes a NMC ... at the last pocket spawn.

by this method, the more "eager" fleets can choose to trigger ALL waves and complete all waves in 1 site sitting. for this respect, maybe CCP should relook at site payout with trigger bonus, IE -- base spawn complete 11m (eg VG), +1 bonus trigger +5m, + 2nd bonus trigger + 5m. i think CCP should seriously look into a single site mechanics, that could be expandable in itself via simple introduction of "pocket spawn mechanics".

the sansha spawn that greets any inc fleet IE -- pocket A, it could lead to trigger pocket B/C/D/E/F, which in turn to pockets G/H/I/J/K ... all the way to Z. a basic site clearance could be compulsory clearance of 3 pockets (A --> G --> Z maybe? A --> F --> Q?), and every additional is a bonus. and by slightly randomizing the way A-Z triggers, i think it could be quite abit of fun there. (so imagine, a really pimped fleet, going from A----Z, 1 base + 25 bonus)

so in terms of segregation, with this there could be a real seperation of clusters of players WHO REALLY run only bonused runs, and those just the usual 3 triggers.

and to further add, instead of spawns coming to fleet, maybe CCP should consider fleet goto spawn and USE MORE nav skillset. we all know how people come in with fits to link for fleets, and some are just not it, while it is not the job of CCp to make the site a test to weed out badly skilled players (or badly fitted), it should be a more obvious show for the latter, or you know those shiny ships that only fire 1 gun? maybe CCP should re-think the AI of sansha, that they should target ships with lease DPS, the weaker ship instead of the strongest DPS (based on some kind of aggro?). i think this makes more sense, it would be pointless to attack a ship with highest DPS as it would seem that the player is higher skilled and is definately skilled to tank. so i feel that the AI should be reversed in this respect (although the first ship in is always AAA, no doubt is always getting primaried)

i also feel that more "passive threshold" should be in place to award higher skilled player fleets, IE -- maybe the MARA should really rep sansha ships at 1000% rate, so the fleet really really really need to focus fire and be of a certain DPS rate. or maybe there should be more niarjas on first easy spawns lesser damage, test of target locking? coordination?

also i think CCP should use incursions or structure it, so that it not ONLY use DPS/LOGI skillsets.
CCP can make a trigger that MUST be destroyed using a SB and the user must be level 5 (maybe a special pocket where the special bomber destroys something 100km off the fleet?)
or a pocket "WIN" situation, where a trigger MUST be a hacking level 5
a pocket spawn scenario where the fleet MUST burn 100km to it in order to trigger the next wave (logi get set to cap up the rear enders). and they must arrive together, else that lead ship get blapped badly? like full wave TCRC?
maybe there is a new trigger type, a factory, a player must do somekind of INDY to it to make the trigger work. create a pseudo ship at the factory in X seconds.
or even a factory, a player MUST duplicate a BPC, while at it, all sansha will keep on bombarding this fella until taken out? or BPC copy succeeds?
make spawns force fleets to diversify into various ship usages instead of ONLY NM, machs, etc. say maybe make that stupid MARA and a few more cruisers do 3k m/s all over the fleet, so the fleet MUST have long range webs like loki or even a bhaal?
OR instead of ONLY using tachyons, now the fleet will have to diversify into even HIGHER traversal weaponry, like PULSE? AUTOCANNON? MISSILES?
or introduce a new trigger that a sansha ship/structure needs to NEUTED continously to zero. OR continously ECMed? (similar to mechanics of MTAC? like a side show that makes the main trigger go boom eventually)

but on the other hand, everybody likes a 1 single standard fit that runs all kinds of sites. warp - blap - warp - blap - warp - blap ... the higher the DPS, the higher the "WIN" factor. im not sure if "warp - blap" is THE future of incursions in dev roadmap (burst damage is definately the way to go almost ANYWHERE IN EVE), but im thinking, incursions could be more colorful (except NCN). people take 20-40 jumps to a focus in a certain fit, generally, somebody needs to sit down and think what can they fit in more ... as a "generic" fit OR set of fits, or just bring a **** load of fittable mods, and then "yurt" up ...

"trigger - YURTswapmod - trigger - blap" instead of "warp - blap" (or in certain aspects, more roles to play per pocket because MORE varied triggers are in place)

hope any of the devs understand what i said lol (do press the LIKE if u LIKE all that up there)

as an addition

maybe CCP have special triggers for lowsec null focus, deployment of warp bubble to catch a sansha trigger?

a certain special smartbomb trigger?

a swarm of cruisers that go really fast?

those swarms of EWAR are OP

this is just more of the same ...

warp - blap - warp - blap - warp - blap - warp - blap -

Somebody please tell me where I can find all these 10/10 DED sites to continually run (and also don't give me OSE-only drops every time). Oh, wait, you made that up because you have no idea what you're talking about.

The income of your average pilot in nullsec is about 50 million ISK/hour running an AFKtar. CCP decided active ratting was something they didn't want to see in the game and nerfed anomalies considerably by adding more NPCs that are difficult to kill and have low bounties. Furthermore, with the ESS change, they nerfed systems without the ESS by 5% and systems with the ESS pay out up to 105% of the original bounty with 25% of that in the form of tags that can be stolen (and the 105% was based on LP calculations of 800 ISK/LP--which is about impossible to get for LP that any highsec pleb can also earn in near total safety--and is redeemable at conveniently and commonly placed Empire stations throughout nullsec.) If what I've just written gives you the impression that I think the person who came up with the ESS and forced it on everyone was dumb, you would be correct.

If I want to rat, I can be hotdropped, tackled and killed by roaming gangs, or killed on my way to and from the ratting system. This concept of "death" happens fairly frequently to players out in nullsec, which is why instead of flying billion+ ISK blinged out ratting ships, they use the cheapest ones they can get away with. Those ships die all the time. Highsec incursion blingships die just about never. Not only do nullsec players earn less, but they lose their ships on a routine basis. Sure seems balanced when it comes to the guiding principle of risk versus reward (versus effort, which CCP always forgets about. See also: Mackinaws versus Hulks).



This is completely irrelevant to the issue of ISK/hour for an individual pilot. Also, everybody in highsec gets paid in LP, not ISK, so that's a completely stupid comparison I would expect to be made by a chronically defective individual rather than an average poster on the Eve Online forums.



Apparently the concepts of "hostile space" and "I can't just take really expensive things anywhere in nullsec at any time" are completely foreign to you. This is starting to be a trend.



Nobody cares what you'll accept. You'll take what you're given from CCP, just like everyone in nullsec took repeated nerfs to income and suffered years of neglect and industrial imbalance.

The day incursion-affected systems become free fire zones is the day highsec incursions will have proportionate income.

They're not encouraging anything, they're permitting more incursions to be done. If you want to go making several dozen more jumps to squeeze a few more incursions into your day (to reap additional gains) then that's entirely your choice. [u]They are not taking away the choice[u] for incursion fleets to just carry on business as they do already.

Hey guys,

Thank you so much for all the feedback so far. Really do appreciate it.

We will continue to monitor the thread for a bit longer before we react to anything, so please continue to run the sites and offer feedback.

I have set the Incursion in Wyllequet to 0% (all blue) to help with testing.

I also have a plan to adjust the LP, it was supposed to be on Sisi but I messed up. When all is said and done you should be getting 400 LP from Scout sites per person. That may change, but it's what I had in mind for now.

Keep up the awesome! :D

More on grid in higher risk incursion space is actually a very nice idea to scale them, and it allows for more people to make livings in null without inflating the income for a single person, so that's actually a nice idea.
As a long term incursion runner myself (alt account) I can say that there is plenty of PvP risk in High sec already though, with ganks even coming inside the sites occasionally, and certainly at the gates of the site and any travelling between sites, I almost always hear of someone loosing their ship when incursions change focus. So no need to nerf.

Onto the scout site redesign, it disappoints me that the ideal seems to be designed all around marauders, and not around smaller ship classes. Haven't personally tried them yet, but I can't see how smaller ship classes will be effective except possibly an Ishtar drone assist doctrine where they assist drones to anyone not jammed to keep firing. But that is more a mark of Ishtars being OP than HAC's in general being viable

Timers are very boring thing. A while ago I believe there was a lev 4 mission where you had to wait a while for a next spawn to trigger (if you were fast killer). On the other hand lower SP players were often overwhelmed by a timed, not triggered, spawns.

Can you adress my question eariler about spawn times?

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I'd like a clarification..
Ending re-spawn time, and it re-spawning has been lowered, contradict eachother..

Either it has no re-spawn time, in which case as soon as one dies, a new one spawns.. OR you've just lowered the re-spawn time to less than the current 24-48hr window.

Which is it?

i know you guys are talking mostly about scout sites and the ncn wall Nerf on assault i think you should also Nerf the tcrc wall in hq's and make all site spawning more balanced across incursions so there are no walls of just one site balancing it out would be better for incursions as a whole & also some make sense to move the spawning of the mom so it only shows up once the incursions goes mobile and it spawn in the staging area instead of the hq system i feel that would make a lot more sense then the current system