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The incursion rats use an ECM mechanic which is not dependent on sensor strength. It is a straight 100% chance to jam.

Uhm.......

Vanguard meta is currently battleships and t2 logi. the lightest tanked shield channels want at least a t2 invuln and DC2 with a t1 em rig. Lightest armor channel I know of runs t2 fit t1-hull cruiser logi and single EANM fits. Combat battlecruisers are almost unused in mainland highsec (what most people think of when they hear incursions without any modifiers). Attack battlecruisers are used almost exclusively for NCNs.
Corporate fleets happen occasionally, but are usually out-contested by the incursion channel-based communities in HS.This is the intended sort of meta, as CCP would long ago have changed contest mechanics given the number of tears if these mechanics were not as intended.

Tried a Distress Beacon... first wave had 3 Antems, 4(!!!) Arnons, 1 Jel, 1 Mara and 1 Orkashu. That's about 1200 paper dps - about half of what you get in VGs, still too much for a local rep on a T1 BS (unless you sacrifice everything for it). 5 ECM ships, in VGs you have a maximum of 3, and all of them are frigates which you can shoot off the field really quick. If those Arnons decide to go crazy you have 4 out of your 5 ships on grid doing nothing. Lastly there are 561k EHP on field - that is as much as the 1st wave of an NMC with 5 Romis.

Less ECM and less EHP to get through, please.

I'd like a clarification..
Ending re-spawn time, and it re-spawning has been lowered, contradict eachother..

Either it has no re-spawn time, in which case as soon as one dies, a new one spawns.. OR you've just lowered the re-spawn time to less than the current 24-48hr window.

Which is it?

Also, I would like it if you adjusted incursion so that the mom doesn't spawn as soon as influence is 0.. I mean even it just making it not span till the next dt.. or earliest it'll spawn is 48hrs after the Incursion spawned.. something so we don't have to move every day.. or if as I read, the spawn's start to happen instantly, we might be looking at 5 or so incursions a day.. that's just insane for BS fleets to move..

Some degree of stability would be much appreciated.

Incorrect - it is simply that the rats jam strength increases each time it fails to jam - see here:

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=430301#post430301

As one of the people who has recently run missions out of 5ZXX, I can assure you, I know quite well that highsec incursions make more money. And not only that, but they exist in safety. If I want to run missions, my friends and I have to control the 5ZXX station undock and the surrounding system gates. This involves a process I'm sure you're unfamiliar with known as "killing people." This is an element of the game noticeably lacking in highsec, and it remains an error on the part of CCP that high reward activities continue to exist in these safe areas.

I wasn't referring to trying to run npc missions for a corp with just a single station - of course that is going to be camped.

If you can't show enough common sense to do it somewhere safe you have no chance.

I used to sometimes take a couple of brand new players into scout site, just for the experience. We could run scout sites with 2-3 day old newbies before with 1 experienced logi frig pilot. Will this still be possible?

I'd like to go on record here about the "highly profitable" activities in high sec.

1. This is a PVE activity that requires massive group coordination and/or Boxing to succeed. This is unlike null sec PVE isk/hour which requires NO coordination to do referencing anomalies, DED sites, exploration, belt ratting. Also referencing coordination based on alliance structure and CTAs i'm going to put that in the realm of PVP.

2. There is plenty of risk. A standard PVE ship in null is likely T2 fitted with maybe a few "necessary to run" faction mods. High sec incursion ships are worth FAR FAR more than those null sec "throw away" ships. IF a null sec ratter loses a ship, talking 300-500m but when a nigh sec incursioner loses one at the least its 1-2b isk.

3. The sheer amount of people in null sec ratting FAR exceeds the number of people running incursions in high sec in any given moment. The isk/faucet in null pours waterfalls, high-sec incursions are more like streams. Streams also in that only a finite maximum number of players at any one time can be making the isk in incursions at any given second. The maximum number of players farming null has likely never been reached.

To CCP I say this, be cautious. Don't target the entire game except NULL. WH community is already in near open rebellion. We don't all want to kiss the ring of the isk gods living null. I request that you be fair handed and start putting forth ideas on how to stop the isk faucet in null starting immediately.

Logi triforce.

I also think the 5-ship limit goes against the idea of promoting group gameplay. limiting the numbers makes more sense for higher sites, which are more viable/survivable due to the triple logi [minimum] consuming a smaller portion of the gang.

I'm not sure what is being avoided with a payout curve of 5. as an ISK faucet, scouts are a long way from being a gusher.

I think the curve for Vanguard sites should be lower. on separate occasions I've tanked them with [only] three basilisks, and again with [only] three remote rep faction battleships (2 rattlesnakes, 1 nightmare). what you're seeing with Vanguards is a minimum of 3 logistics, and anything beyond that is just DPS. anything over 6 (3 logi, 3 DPS battleships) is purely a race-to-the-finish factor.

what I'm saying is the payout curve misses the mark in both scouts and vanguards. they should both be 6 or 7.

the minimum difficulty of vanguard sites is cleared at 6.

a payout curve of 5 removes the option of larger groups in scout sites.