EVE General Discussion

And /thread - it's done. Post of the year. Would like ten times if I could. There are SO many tools anyone can use to minimize their chances of being engaged in PVP combat in highsec - and the problem is the same as it has been for so many years now - people won't use them. They will continue to fly untanked AFK freighters with billions in loot (or even empty) through known hot spots while they are not even paying attention to EVE in the first place, and then when that does not go well - they will cry and rage and beg CCP to make high-sec into the theme park wonderland they want it to be.

Also, i've been meaning to post this for weeks and keep forgetting - this entire thread falls under Betterridge's law of headlines. For those who are not familiar with this law -

"Betteridge's law of headlines is an adage that states: "Any headline which ends in a question mark can be answered by the word no." It is named after Ian Betteridge, a British technology journalist, although the general concept is much older. The observation has also been called "Davis' law" or just the "journalistic principle." Has suicide ganking become a problem? No. Now rephrase that title without using a loaded question, please :)

It's sad. No matter how many new tools CCP gives them, no matter how many times high-sec ganking is nerfed, no matter how many times mining/hauling ships are buffed - it really does not matter.

Reminds me of when CCP make the decision to add low slots to freighters. Some people I knew were sure this would mean high-sec freighters would all be triple tech II bulkhead fit, and that ganking them would require much more in the way of active players or tougher ships to pull it off. We found out, of course, that most every single freighter we see is either not using low slots, has all Expanded Cargohold II's (even if they are empty or hauling a few thousand m3 of goods), or has other insane modules that don't even help them jammed in there (my personal favorite was a freighter with a rack of meta 0 armor resistance mods).

What it comes down to, and I hate to use this term - but I must - is simply entitled players. They feel they should be entitled to not have to interact with anyone, fly totally alone with no protection with billions of ISK on the line, and even worse - they are entitled to do that totally AFK and when things go wrong - something is wrong with EVE. It's getting old.

CCP - you have given these guys everything and more they need to protect themselves, while making attacking them as annoying as possible. Let's stop the insanity and consider adding more to the new player tutorials (which we all know the new players won't even read in the first place).

tl;dr version - if you won't use the tools you have available, you don't get to cry. If you insist on playing a multi-player game totally alone and refuse to interact with anyone and work with other human beings to provide defense, you don't get to cry. You just get to explode.

Why thank you, that's about the nicest thing anyone's ever called me.

But again, pay very close attention this time - I never argued against using Daredevil webs. I never argued against using any webs.

Why not duel the neutral frigate so you don't lose it?

Do you not have 3 character slots per account?

To some it might have I imagine.

To me tho, no it has not. But given a long enough stretch of time eventually I will lose a ship to it despite my efforts to avoid it. But even then I will have made billions more to cover up the loss many times over. So it will probably never really be a problem to me.

To those who engage in suicide ganking, great, continue as you provide a service to us all in one way or another. Morally tho you should be able to understand that people dislike the practise and scale of it.

To those who don't approve of it. Great to, it adds to the overall experience and gives the world we play in some dynamics.

So no, it has not become a problem to me.

Well said. You are a rare breed - an EVE player who understands how to minimize their losses and does not undock what they cannot replace. Even though the tutorials take time to explain this concept, it seems new players tend to miss it.

As for the moral (e-bushido?) thing - we are totally cool with that. We're not naive enough to understand that some people will dislike what we do. What really grinds my gears is when they justify that dislike with totally silly reasons that we have all heard about ten thousand times before. Nearly every single person that dislikes what we do will explain that:

* We are just "griefers" who are "exploiting" game mechanics and CCP will ban us.

* We don't know what "real" pvp (lmao real pvp) is and ONLY shoot industrial/mining/transport ships.

* Ganking is cyberbullying.

* We should go to (insert region of space) and gank there.

* The EULA protects people from us, and we are somehow violating the rules.

* Groups of organized players with a good FC using team work to engage a target is overpowered.

* Everyone who engages a target in high-sec is some sort of real world sociopath.

* Ganking has no e-bushido or cyber-honor, everyone knows if you kill a target in 0.5 space you are a raging sociopath but if you kill the same in 0.4 space you are a honorable warrior.

These are the top reasons for "dislike" of CODE, and they are all pretty silly.

Role Bonus:
100% reduction in CPU requirements for Reinforced Bulkheads

I can confirm that my freighter alt had to use dark magic to fit three bulkheads.

Indeed I never read that

so..uh...for how long will I have to wear the Cone of Shame™ now?

*delete*

Did not scroll down and notice that role bonus was already posted :)

Anyway, the point remains: freighters can be defended quite well, via tank, friends, actually being at the keyboard in the first place, route planning, alts, and about a hundred other ways.

The problem for those who complain, however, is setting desto and going on auto for 20 jumps in a anti-tanked freighter does not seem to work very well as a defense. I don't see this as a problem.