Player Features and Ideas Discussion

I fully agree there, love that it now drops a lot of stuff to under 4 hours.


What of skills that add a free level to bps?
IE
if BP(ME|TE < cap)
New_BP_Research = ME|TE + AI_New_Skill_level * %
return(New_BP_Research )

That way it dovetails well with all the upsetness about perfect BPS being measured in years for some people, while still allowing for a market for researched BPs

I will add my support for a skill (or skills) that lets us queue jobs.

Skills to specialize could be good, but the advantages need to be looked at very closely so that generalists and specialists can still compete somewhat.

Here's an idea:
Rapid manufacturing. Let's you add RAM as an input in return for a much larger time reduction.

Efficient construction: Lets you increase the time to manufacture an item, at the end of the job some materials are refunded.


Concurrent manufacturing:
Let's you install the same blueprint multiple times (so you can have multiple jobs of the same thing going at once). You still can't make more than the number of max runs though.

Not sure I like those examples.

Reducing build time at the expense of increased material needs or even isk is fine, but reducing material usage in exchange for increase build time is not something I would support.

Nor could I support the multiple quing of BPC's, (and it would be BPC's, as you can just increase the number of runs from BPO's.) I view the run limitations on BPCs and the need to reinstall jobs manually as an important limiting factor in the industry balanacing process.

Yes, but why not just install the full 5 runs in the first place? I see no need to 'stack' jobs in the manner you are suggesting, other than a shortage of materials that could be remedied inbetween runs.

I wouldn't have a problem with materials being used on a 'per run' basis as each run is completed, rather than having all the materials for the build being taken away when the job in installed.

because of the very reason you stated. or the other solution to the issue that you stated also works.

But you can still use a ME 10 bp, and by the same it loses the point if all you have is an ME10

Which is the point really, its a diminishing skill as you have many methods to boost a bpo already, and this one effects only you without giving a the bar is now this high for entry

Sort of like how copper heat sinks over aluminum slow the rise to a thermal shutdown, but do nothing to increase that horrid point.

Where as the old ME skill was adding fresh thermal paste and actively raised the temperature, something that had to be done.

**(Improved versions of non-meta items)**
(Picture it as 1.5 upgrade)

First off, getting a drop box in Manufacturing for a option to choose. (For Instance, how it's in invention on some ships. EX. Malediction/Crusader)
So, you'll get the option whether to choose between a standard or improved version of a specific item.
If you choose the option of improved quality, you'll need about 5%-10% more materials. (all up to CCP in the end)
Second of all, you need to get the specialist skills to V with the prereq of Advanced Industry V

Skills for Specializations:
Control Tower Specialist (3x or 4x) - Reduces fuel requirement by 2% per level on end production. (1 fuel block less on level 5) *Includes Faction Control Towers
Rig Specialist (1x or 2x) – Reduces drawback by 4% per level on end production. (20% by level 5)
Drone Specialist (1x or 2x) – increases drone hitpoints by 1% per level on end production. (5% Hitpoints by level 5)
Ammunition Specialist (1x or 2x) – Increase damage by 1% per level on end production (5 % damage by level 5)

**Note** I will search for more products that may fit with my idea. For more Specialist skills

Examples:
Ammunition Specialist skill

Ex. Antimatter Charge S Improved
Skills - Industry III, Advanced Industry V, Ammunition Specialist V
Materials - Same as right now or + 5%-10%
Outcome - Antimatter Charge S Improved (100)
Stats - Range Bonus -50% Thermal 5.25, Kinetic 7.35

*There will only be 1 variation per different type of ammunition (Ranging from Antimatter – Iron)
**Ammunition specialist well range from any ammunition & charges.
*** The 1 variation well fall in between Standard and Faction in damage wise (If my calculations are correct.) (Tech I(Standard), Improved, Faction, And Tech II)

Rig Specialist Skill

Ex. Small Anti-Kinetic Screen Reinforcer I Improved
Skills – Industry III, Advanced Industry V, Rig Specialist V
Materials - Same as right now or + 5%-10%
Outcome – Small Anti-Kinetic Screen Reinforcer I Improved
Stats – Kinetic Resist 30% (Same as now) 1%-2% reduced drawback
*So if your Shield Rigging is at V, you'll already be at 5% drawback, So with Rig Specialist skill, you'll be able to reduce it from 1% - 2% more.
** So with this in mind, You'll choose between the Improved variation or Tech II (less drawback or bigger buff)when fitting onto your ship
***So Improved variation falls between Tech I and Tech II ( Tech I, Improved, and Tech II)

Drone Specialist Skill

Ex. Hornet I Improved
Skills – Industry III, Advanced Industry V, Drone Specialist V
Materials – Same as right now or + 5%-10%
Outcome – Hornet I Improved
Stats – (same damage/tracking/falloff/optimal) +5% more Hitpoints
*Hornet I Improved well land between Tech I and Faction drones.

Control Tower Specialist Skill

Ex. Amarr Control Tower Small Improved
Skills – Industry III, Advanced Industry V, Control Tower Specialist V
Materials - Same as right now or + 5%-10%
Outcome – Amarr Control Tower Small Improved
Stats – All the same, but uses less fuel blocks
*This includes Faction Control Towers, since there's blueprints for them.

--End Note--
So the overall idea is for some items to have 3-4 types. Tech I, Improved, Faction, Tech II (or the ones that have just have a Tech I and Faction variations). This does not mean meta levels. (Well somewhat)
This well introduce new ideas to the market, so it doesn't affect existing things too much. (So new items = new possiblish market.)
I like to see all this as how it is with Boosters (Standard, Improved, Strong)
I took out Ship Specialist skill
So I hope all this clears a few things out from my previous post(s)

I understand the limitations of this idea. And after reading your reply. I think I came up with a possible solution.

As a requirement of having the skill maxed out before producing the item.

Ex. Antimatter Charge S Improved
Skills - Industry I, Ammunition Specialist V
Materials - Same as right now or +/- (5%-10%)
Outcome - Antimatter Charge S Improved (100)
Stats - Range Bonus -50% Thermal 5.25, Kinetic 7.35

Ammunition Specialist being a 1x or 2x skill, So it drops the coming up with 5 new versions to 1, to add already existing ones. (Standard, Improved, Faction,and Tech II)
And of course scaling out the rest of the skills I mentioned.
*Note* I know it does sound a bit ridiculous, but it's kind of like learning all skills necessary to build Tech II ships.

I am not sure ammo warrants meta levels beyond the current T1, Faction, T2 we have now.
As for ships, I would imagine if we could create meta level ships, the base versions would fall into disuse much the same way lower tier ships did under the old ship tier system. If that happened, then the skills to produce the higher meta ships would end up pretty much becoming a mandatory skill.

I could see this working with most modules though.
For instance have a shield construction ability that lets you build meta shield modules.

EXAMPLE
SHield Construction: prerequisites: Hydromagnetic Physics I, Quantum Physics i, Advanced Industry V
Each level lets you produce the same level meta item.

It would Have to either require more materials (or specialized materials), or be chance based such that higher metas are still more expensive/rarer so as not to break the market (more than it is already, meta 1-2 isn't used much which is a needed fix in and of itself). I like the extra materials option myself, likely some sort of commodity rather than just extra minerals.


Of course there are a couple spots where it breaks down:
1. Stuff like propulsion modules that don't come in every meta level, which leaves some skill levels useless.
2. What to do with level V.

I suppose both problems could be somewhat alleviated if there were also time or materials (probably better the former) bonus attached to each skill level.
For the second problem, I wouldn't mind it if there were some sort of Tech 2 meta item (meta level 6) that could be accessed with level V in the proper skill (I have always thought it would be nice to have meta T2 items. yes we have faction and deadspace items which are higher meta level than T2 (meta 5), but those don't take advantage of T2 specialization skills nor can they use T2 ammo)

Ok, so we end up with new 'meta' equivelants for various things, (ammo in this case,) which become the new standard which relegate the baselines to pointlessness.

When was the last time you fitted a T1 module that had a meta alternative?