Wormholes

What else should I seriously have replied to your post, which had honestly no substance.

Just this simple sentence from you



showed me that you seem to have no real idea of wormhole living, just guessing and therefore trolling. Combined with your killboard I think I have a small idea of what you are doing. Every opinion is welcome, but your first post was nearly close to just trolling with this Background. Add something with substance and we can discuss.

TL;DR
DO NOT DO THE SPAWN DISTANCE CHANGE FOR WORMHOLE JUMPS!!!


Dear CCP,

i seriously have no idea why you came up with these changes to the spawn rates and more importantly the spawn distance based on mass. If these ideas came from a CSM i hope i didn't vote for him/her.

Do the wormhole community a favor and just remove the spawn-range-mass-relation non-sense from the list of changes
(and the spawn rate changes of random wormholes and, while you are at it, the new wormhole type as well) and i will happily call it a good re-balance of w-space.

Reasons are all in this thread already, i am not going to repeat them all. Just the main one: This is going to badly hurt smaller groups (PVP as well as PVE focused ones) in w-space and drive them out eventually. And if just out of w-space and not Eve in general.

Cheers
Gal

Okay since Fozzie actually seems to read this thread (and isn’t just rumored to do so) let me jump on the threadnaught with my own personal experience.

Now I live in a small c4 corp, it isn’t much but it’s ours. We like our wormhole, it has a name, "the cardboard box" and it has a pretty skybox and it’s a big improvement over our old c2 (called Bob, no relation to His Divine Majesty).

Now we're a small corp who has recently had a bunch of brain drain to the bigger corps, but we have 5 guys left who actively play eve and love living in wormholes. Sure we have a few alts but it’s mostly our 5-7 guys in fleets.

We however live in a wormhole that doesn’t seem to spawn a lot of sites, we've gone WEEKS without even a single one spawning. So during that time we rolled the static religiously praised HIM when we found something with some good sites (didn't happen often) and the proceeded to burn the wormhole to the ground. Since our static is a c2 we don’t even really make any good money doing this but it’s fun to do **** in a group and if you play for a few hours you can make enough money to recoup your ammo money and make something on the side. (I personally sign over my share of the loot over to the corp whenever its less than 50 million which is 95% of the time since the corp needs POS fuel money)

I was talking to Corbexx on the changes to incursions and he seemed adamant wormholes should become MORE popular and hisec incursions needed to stop being (what he felt to be, i for the record do not agree) "risk free isk" so that more people would go wormholing. This however is incredibly likely to move out of the wormhole on a semi-permanent basis as there just isnt any content anymore. I can’t solo c4 sites without getting something goddamn shiny which would look great on killmails, and while I can afford to build something that shiney that I don’t want to hog all the sites in "Home". Since then the rest of my corp has no income, no content and no fun. So I’m reduced to running in our c2 static. Which means that when my buddies in a different timezone log on we have to roll the static, not because we don’t want to fight people, or because we are afraid of pvp, or for any other reason you might care to come up with. We have to roll the static so we can have some gameplay in a game we pay money to be allowed to play. This seems Goddamn ******** to me to begin with, but I get we were never intended to move into our home and live there long term, so I accept it as the price of doing business and not getting hotdropped by PL or whomever.

Now for myself this status means I spend a fucktonne of time living in high sec running home in a fast interceptor and a jump clone I keep in various spaces around New Eden so I can have all the pvp and wormhole fun I like without actually being bored silly most other times.
Which leads to the weird position where someone who ostensibly lives in the most dangerous and lucrative space in eve actually lives in highsec and runs incursions by the dozen sites because, well, wormholes are boring! And Corbexx wonders why no one lives in wormholes… :S

But to circle back around to the topic of this conversation, making it harder to roll the static directly affects my ability to play a game I pay money to play, makes me less likely to spend any time in our wormhole, less likely to want to even open a static, and HELLA more likely to just log in and then either burn straight back to K-Space where there is content to be had I can enjoy or just check the probe scanner go “Nope, I am not going to go mining since **** that ****… And no combat sites so I guess I’ll go play Skyrim instead…” (and I don’t even LIKE skyrim)

Of course then there’s the PVP side of the coin, we have in the past closed hostile wormholes but mainly because, well, our 10-15 guys (this was before the brain drain I mentioned earlier) really couldn’t sensibly fight, the name escapes me right now, the 25-45 guys I had on D on the other side. This happened 6 months ago so I might be misremembering, that said we have also quite often picked fights in the static or on our own side of the same connecting wormhole because we actually LIKE shooting people for the lulzies.

TLDR: Love Hyperion, love the new wormhole changes, love the c4 getting a second static, wish i knew what we were getting already, hate this part, will prolly spend less time in WHs will cause content decrease for all, THIS NEEDS TO NOT BE A THING.

he is writing the the mass-distance thread so I guess he is mainly talking about that issue, not the frigate WH. And if smaller wormholes are left because of that there is no frigate warfare.

If you want frigate warfare, there are plenty of options already in EvE, RvB, FW, etc.

This is a very good summation of many peoples current experience of small corps in lower class wormholes, please read and inwardly digest fozzie. You will also note that in spite of all the obstacles the poster WISHES to be able to be more engaged in wormhole life with their time.

This logic doesn't follow. What are Class 1 wormholes for, if not for frigates?

New Players, especially explorers, etc, or pilots who specialize in frigates, love wormhole space.

Frigate piloting is by far the funnest "class" of ship to pilot.

So, it is the case that a "Sliding Scale," where larger class wormholes favor larger mass ships and give them bonuses to emergence from wormholes, and vice versa, would allow very distinct game play types in wormholes.

By sliding scale, of course, I mean that bonuses to emergency values are based on: astrometrics skills, ship mass, wormhole type, wormhole class, ship roles, so that lower class wormholes have a higher risk to invasions from smaller ships, and larger class wormholes are at greater risk to invasions by higher class ships.

Battleships, Dreadnaughts should NOT get advantages in lower class wormholes.

I like all the changes except this one.

I have lived in w space since they were brought into the game and have lived and fought in all Classes of w space.

My reasoning behind this i will list below

1. This change is great if you are the Corp Setting up a trap for someone to try and roll a connection.
But for the corp wanting to roll it will Be less likely to attempt it and will just pos's up or Log off lessening the chance for a Fight.

We already have a hard time getting fights. How many times has your scout jumped into a wh scouted it and then the decision on how to get a fight Gets started and you base what you are going to commit to the fight by who's wh it is and the chance of your caps getting back home or if they will even bring a fight.

Losing a cap is not as big of deal now that i have been fighting with them and lost some. But to a corp in say a c5 or c6 with a lower class wh connection( ie1-4 ) Replacing that is much harder Due to having to wait for a null or low connection to get one back in your home system and with this they will be less likely to commit a cap to fight where they could win a fight if they did but chose not to because they can not get a advantage by massing a wh and making the attacker have to decide to go balls deep with caps or just try and fight with lower mass ships on a mass reduced wh.


this post below sums up all my other stuff so i wont go into that i will just quote it below

This is just a bad idea and i hope it can be removed as i would like to see more players in w space

Exactly this ... Though, I think dreadnoughts should always have a hard time burning back. ...

Frigates / exploration ships / interceptors, etc, should always land further away ...

Larger class ships should not get these bonuses.

If this change is removed, and all the others kept - it will be the best patch EVER and probably boister population of EVE and WH's a lot.

As it stands now, this change being implemented in 90% disagreed upon, offers nothing interesting, and only causes headaches for both smaller and larger WH corps.

The reasoning has been covered before - please CCP remove this change, everything else is amazing!!

It appears to me, that higher class ships would get advantages in lower class wormholes, should "landing" distances in wormholes be modified as proposed.

Perhaps I am misunderstanding Fozzie's chart... but it appears that higher mass ships would get an advantage to landing distance ...

So, for "wolf pack frigate corps" it becomes very difficult to defend against an incursion of larger class ships--especially with the constant 16 hour random wormhole..