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Has suicide ganking become a problem? Empty freighters being ganked.

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Paranoid Loyd
#2361 - 2014-08-04 20:34:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Paranoid Loyd
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Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
#2362 - 2014-08-04 20:43:53 UTC
So who's paying the ISD to look the other way?

Nothing but page after page of personal attacks. They're usually more on top of things than this.

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malcovas Henderson
THoF
#2363 - 2014-08-04 20:45:58 UTC
The blame for Ganking falls squarely at the feet of the "victim". Period. Crying about your loss with tears of "I did not consent to PVP" is untrue. That little button called "Undock" is all the consent needed

No ship ever should be Immune to exploding in high Sec. If a group of guys wants to explode an empty Freighter. That is entirely their business. In a PVP orientated sandboxed MMO game, you should be aware that some will help you , some will screw you, and most will never meet you.

Todays gamer is a self entitled entity. Demanding their stuff remain "safe" while they do as little as possible to protect themselves. I detest these types of gamers. They are a toxin to every game they involve themselves in.
Scipio Artelius
Weaponised Vegemite
Flying Dangerous
#2364 - 2014-08-04 20:48:05 UTC
Mr Epeen wrote:
So who's paying the ISD to look the other way?

Nothing but page after page of personal attacks. They're usually more on top of things than this.

Mr Epeen Cool

One thread left open is better than 20 new ones each day.
Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite
Safety.
#2365 - 2014-08-04 21:42:53 UTC
Christina Project wrote:

You need alts.

Most of you can only really gank in the group,
which reduces you to button-pushers,
just like the carebears in nullsec.

There's a really high chance that a good part of you is exactly that, too! :D

Without the group, you'd be NOTHING! :D

And without the group behind you on the forums,
you probably wouldn't even dare to speak up! :D

Yes I indeed use an alt to bump or scout for targets. But he is in the same alliance and subject to the wardecs we sometimes face.

You are free to filter my killboard for solo kills if you really think I can only gank in groups. I don't use the Catalyst reimbursement program James offers for my solo gank activity because I try to optimize ISK efficiency wherever I can, it's part of the fun of the game for me. I even make a decent amount of ISK from the solo ganks (by solo I mean with the scout alt). That may be completely different for other gankers, but that is their business and I don't really care.

If loyal kicks me out of the corp tomorrow or the New Order runs out of cash I would just continue with my business, it would probably not have a big impact for me.

I would however miss the gank fleets, because it is just a lot of fun to fly in the group because they are all awesome people to just talk or listen too while waiting for the next gank. I agree that it may be less challenging for the pilot who only presses F1 and has no scout or bumper to support the ganks in the fleet, but the organization of that fleet is not the most trivial thing ever.

The fact that we hit even empty targets may be one of the secrets why this works so well. The constant stream of targets keeps the people in fleet and at their keyboards. If you only go for the ships with valuable freight and have huge breaks people will just quit or walk away. After all this is a game and unlike in the real world fun has to be a part of the war strategy to get people into the fleet.

It's also a bit silly to whine about group formation in an MMO that encourages this kind of thing. If you can't socialize with others in this game then that is your loss. To be able to shoot pixel spaceships together with such a diverse group of people from all over the globe is probably a unique experience you wont find in another game.

Evil RatKid
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#2366 - 2014-08-05 02:19:58 UTC
Ima Wreckyou wrote:
It's also a bit silly to whine about group formation in an MMO that encourages this kind of thing. If you can't socialize with others in this game then that is your loss. To be able to shoot pixel spaceships together with such a diverse group of people from all over the globe is probably a unique experience you wont find in another game.

Doing it in TiDi, when your 3s cycle module takes 10 minutes to shoot means you really get to enjoy the gameplay

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Anal Canal
The Conference Elite
Safety.
#2367 - 2014-08-06 08:43:50 UTC
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ISD Dorrim Barstorlode
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#2368 - 2014-08-07 03:45:21 UTC
Removed a troll post.

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Derrick Miles
Death Rabbit Ky Oneida
#2369 - 2014-08-07 04:28:18 UTC
malcovas Henderson wrote:
The blame for Ganking falls squarely at the feet of the "victim". Period. Crying about your loss with tears of "I did not consent to PVP" is untrue. That little button called "Undock" is all the consent needed

No ship ever should be Immune to exploding in high Sec. If a group of guys wants to explode an empty Freighter. That is entirely their business. In a PVP orientated sandboxed MMO game, you should be aware that some will help you , some will screw you, and most will never meet you.

Todays gamer is a self entitled entity. Demanding their stuff remain "safe" while they do as little as possible to protect themselves. I detest these types of gamers. They are a toxin to every game they involve themselves in.

I'm sorry, I didn't realize the sandbox was all about your style of gameplay. Do go on about how other gamers are self-entitled.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#2370 - 2014-08-07 04:35:48 UTC
Derrick Miles wrote:
malcovas Henderson wrote:
The blame for Ganking falls squarely at the feet of the "victim". Period. Crying about your loss with tears of "I did not consent to PVP" is untrue. That little button called "Undock" is all the consent needed

No ship ever should be Immune to exploding in high Sec. If a group of guys wants to explode an empty Freighter. That is entirely their business. In a PVP orientated sandboxed MMO game, you should be aware that some will help you , some will screw you, and most will never meet you.

Todays gamer is a self entitled entity. Demanding their stuff remain "safe" while they do as little as possible to protect themselves. I detest these types of gamers. They are a toxin to every game they involve themselves in.

I'm sorry, I didn't realize the sandbox was all about your style of gameplay. Do go on about how other gamers are self-entitled.


Failing to defend yourself is not a gameplay style.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Derrick Miles
Death Rabbit Ky Oneida
#2371 - 2014-08-07 04:42:12 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Derrick Miles wrote:
malcovas Henderson wrote:
The blame for Ganking falls squarely at the feet of the "victim". Period. Crying about your loss with tears of "I did not consent to PVP" is untrue. That little button called "Undock" is all the consent needed

No ship ever should be Immune to exploding in high Sec. If a group of guys wants to explode an empty Freighter. That is entirely their business. In a PVP orientated sandboxed MMO game, you should be aware that some will help you , some will screw you, and most will never meet you.

Todays gamer is a self entitled entity. Demanding their stuff remain "safe" while they do as little as possible to protect themselves. I detest these types of gamers. They are a toxin to every game they involve themselves in.

I'm sorry, I didn't realize the sandbox was all about your style of gameplay. Do go on about how other gamers are self-entitled.


Failing to defend yourself is not a gameplay style.

Freighters failing to defend themselves. What?
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#2372 - 2014-08-07 04:42:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Failing to defend yourself is not a gameplay style.
Heh joy of the sandbox, you can play at being a victim, and others can make it so.

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Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#2373 - 2014-08-07 04:43:09 UTC
Derrick Miles wrote:

Freighters failing to defend themselves. What?


Don't be obtuse. Self defense does not always involve guns.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Sibyyl
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#2374 - 2014-08-07 04:52:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Sibyyl
Derrick Miles wrote:
Freighters failing to defend themselves. What?

Freighters can:

1. tank
2. be webbed
3. logi'd
4. pre-scouted
5. be agile
6. be cloaky
7. be re-routed (the map has statistics, you know?)
8. be escorted
9. be contracted

How many options did you want?

Edit: grammar, I forsake you!

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Derrick Miles
Death Rabbit Ky Oneida
#2375 - 2014-08-07 04:54:28 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Derrick Miles wrote:

Freighters failing to defend themselves. What?


Don't be obtuse. Self defense does not always involve guns.

A freighter can't prevent a gank from determined gankers. It's not supposed to, it's a frieghter, it hauls ****.
Athryn Bellee
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#2376 - 2014-08-07 04:55:32 UTC
Sibyyl wrote:
Derrick Miles wrote:
Freighters failing to defend themselves. What?

Freighters can:

1. tank
2. be webbed
3. logi'd
4. pre-scouted
5. be agile
6. be cloaky
7. be re-routed (the map has statistics, you know?)
8. be escorted
9. be contracted

How many options did you want?

Edit: grammar, I forsake you!


How can a freighter be cloaked? They don't have the highslot to fit the cloaking device. Everything else makes sense, I'm just stuck on that point.
Janice en Marland
Cross Saber Holdings
#2377 - 2014-08-07 04:57:01 UTC
Sibyyl wrote:
Derrick Miles wrote:
Freighters failing to defend themselves. What?

Freighters can:

1. tank
2. be webbed
3. logi'd
4. pre-scouted
5. be agile
6. be cloaky
7. be re-routed (the map has statistics, you know?)
8. be escorted
9. be contracted

How many options did you want?

Edit: grammar, I forsake you!

30 high slots with the ability to fit smartbombs, neuts, or small weapons.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#2378 - 2014-08-07 04:57:22 UTC
Derrick Miles wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Derrick Miles wrote:

Freighters failing to defend themselves. What?


Don't be obtuse. Self defense does not always involve guns.

A freighter can't prevent a gank from determined gankers. It's not supposed to, it's a frieghter, it hauls ****.


Of course it can prevent a gank.

Oh, wait, I get it. You're one of those people who think that prevention only starts when the gankers land on grid, aren't you?

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Sibyyl
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#2379 - 2014-08-07 04:58:01 UTC
Athryn Bellee wrote:
How can a freighter be cloaked? They don't have the highslot to fit the cloaking device. Everything else makes sense, I'm just stuck on that point.

You can choose to fly a blockade runner instead of a freighter.

Joffy Aulx-Gao for CSM. Fix links and OGB. Ban stabs from plexes. Fulfill karmic justice.
Derrick Miles
Death Rabbit Ky Oneida
#2380 - 2014-08-07 05:00:55 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Derrick Miles wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Derrick Miles wrote:

Freighters failing to defend themselves. What?


Don't be obtuse. Self defense does not always involve guns.

A freighter can't prevent a gank from determined gankers. It's not supposed to, it's a frieghter, it hauls ****.


Of course it can prevent a gank.

Oh, wait, I get it. You're one of those people who think that prevention only starts when the gankers land on grid, aren't you?

While your baseless assumption is entertaining it's also wrong and I'm not really interested in arguing what is essentially semantics, like half of the arguments in this thread. My original comment was addressed at something else entirely and you took that out of context as well.