Wormholes

Fozzie just needs to jump out of the closet and once and for all admit he hates WHers and W-space.

From derisory comments on the AT tournament commentary year after year to the most contentious "ideas".

I don't believe for a second that any of these are ill-thought out ideas, they are very purposefully put together to antagonise and disrupt because Null hates WH's so Fozzie obeys his masters.

What CCP always fails to remember is that Apocrypha was and still is the most popular, content creating update ever made in recent years and without that they probably wouldn't have a spoon to stir sh*t with let alone a desk to do it on.

How about you actually LISTEN to your WH community on what needs FIXING before you go and break it all again. Get rid of the damn discovery scanner, instant sigs etc.

Fozzie you're a waste of space but that doesn't mean you have to make our space a waste.

CCP...

I really do worry you have completely lost your way. I love the game you provide us with massively but you really need to start thinking about how to keep the game fresh and fun for your member base - this is surely your aim?

I'm all for changes in W-Space, but only if that change provides more exciting content and leads to a bigger wormhole-dwelling population. This tweak wont do that I'm afraid to say and will be detrimental to wormhole life. That means less bottom line for your business as people wont log on.

This change does not create content, and I think from the comments on this thread you should understand why. If you do not, then CCP decision-makers need to actually try playing wormholes day-in and day-out for a few weeks and see how hard players work to find content for their communities. What we'd like is a simple helping hand. Help us by giving us content.

Instead of ruining rage rolling for larger groups, protecting farmers from the sword, and making it practically impossible for smaller groups to do anything safely with their assets, why not create some new content?

I don't think wormhole vets really care what that is - just give us something!!!

C7 systems with no moons and fat statics?
New wormhole types to promote bigger fights?
New effects that help different classes of ships?
Spice up C4s?
T3 Battleships with low mass?
New ISK incentives in C1-C4 space?

Use your imagination please! Please stop trying to fix things that work already...

'If it aint broke don't fix it'

Instead just try to think up 'NEW' content please. That's what we all want. SOMETHING NEW.

I'm one of the people that is not happy with the lack of ccp development and the general state of wormhole space, and I'm always on the forums requesting that CCP devote more resources to make wormhole space interesting again.

I think this change will contribute to falling number because if there is nothing to do in your chain and you don't have the numbers to roll, you can't play the wormhole game. Yes, perhaps people will feel safer running sites because, theoretically, there will be less hunter rolling but if they have a hostile wormhole in system that they don't want to risk rolling, they may choose to log off instead. If this happens enough, they may leave wormhole space all together.

If I was only looking at this from my own selfish perspective, i would consider this a good change for bigger groups. We'll use 15 battleships and roll safer and faster than ever but what concerns me is the effect it will have on the smaller groups and the knock-on effect that will have on general activity in wormhole space.

At the end of the day i'm okay with CCP making little changes here and there but those changes should be accompanied by some fun/new features/gameplay once in a while... and i'm not talking about crap like ghost sites that are as rare as rockinghorse shite.

So, briefly, I appreciate the innovative thinking but this particular change could be very, very bad for corps like ours in particular. I'll be honest, we're on the small end for C5/C6 PvP corps, and when we go up against one of the bigger, well-organized groups (Lazerhawks, SSC, KILL, Hard Knocks), we pretty much rely on our ability to cut off the chain of reinforcements if we want to stand a chance. The longer a fight goes on, the more likely it is that we'll be massively outnumbered. This just erases that entire tool, or at least makes it a guaranteed capital loss. Corbexx said very early in the thread that it favors big groups over small and I agree, and I think that we have too many big groups (or groups that are too big) right now as it is. This essentially encourages you to have the biggest blob possible, so that you can all jump through in 50 T3s and end up close enough to the wormhole to fight.

I'm glad CCP is devoting some time and thought to wormhole mechanics but this particular change is going to make it very hard for groups like us to engage a larger corp without getting stomped every single time. Personally I like engaging bigger foes, but not when there's zero chance of taking control of the fight.

CCP, congratulations. This proposed change sent me from zero to awake faster than any caffeine or alarm clock ever has. No, seriously, someone actually woke me up to tell me to read this thread. It's that dire.

It sure seems contrary to a fundamental property of wormholes: the part where you have a polarity timer rather than a combat timer and everyone spawns within jump range. I am having an awfully hard time thinking of the fun this could create and am immediately thinking of headaches. The ability to quickly crash wormholes has influenced how wormhole space has developed from the beginning. The ability to warp our own environment within reason, to be able to use our own terrain to deal with a fleet with superior numbers or to trap a fleet away from its reinforcements, all of these things have been there from the beginning and have dictated an awful lot.

Cap macrojumpdrive anyone??

if there's no PVP then make ISK?

lol. yeah and we also know groups like yours poach players who are PVP capable, so who's more guilty of stripping that capability from small wormhole groups.

I'm not terribly impressed with this idea, and my initial response is if it ain't broke don't fix it. I'm not fundamentally opposed to this change (altho, the range is too much at mo...), but at the same time i can see why some of the complaints are being made. I'm more concerned about WH logistics at the mo, if that becomes more tedious than it already is, i think its fair to assume some of the smaller corps will either blob up or leave WH space altogether.

There are a million other things to fix in this game, and having dev(s) screw around with this mechanic comes across as misguided without more background / rationale. Maybe its the effect of looking at the current POS code. Its that bad that you end up finding anything to do other than to fix things that actually need fixing

Also if CCP want people to receive changes in a constructive manner, can i suggest putting up a dev blog before putting it on SISI. At the very least bring it up in forums before hand (as suggested by others). This will help manage the response from the community in a more prepared manner, rather than the current 20 page mixed bag of nerd rage, trolling and occasional balanced comment.

Corbex - good luck with this one, i sense you are going to need it!

:-D I won't name names