Wormholes

The T3 Blobs comes from all WH fights starting within Scram/Web/Bubble range. No T3 changes will stop that. Use of T3's come about due to them surviving well in that situation. The Proteus especially. If they no longer become dominant in that environment then another ship class will take it's place. Brick HAC's for example.

This gives options.

I'd really like to see it go more crazy, like adding directionality, so if you come in at one angle you come out at the polar opposite angle with a slight variation. Mostly I want it to still feel different from jumping a gate.

Maby just wait for the dev blogs before going ape **** on the forums? We don't know any numbers yet and we don't know the mechanics or if that sisi changes are the only thing they are planning.

Just chill until more facts comes up.

hah. a low blow, but more importantly when someone puts their thoughts into words, it shouldn't take looking at an employment history to tell good from bad.

writing off characters based on employment history and killboards isn't smart, but it is to write off the people who do. (not having an employment history or killboard does not mean the opposite of having one)

Since when do eve players wait to provide their feedback? I'll add my .02 isk. Since I just watched 4 of my industrial friends quit and unsub after the recent industrial changes now I'm listening to my fed up worm hole friends say the same thing. This is game breaking for a number of reasons.

This will in no way create interesting content. There is no sane reason to jump caps into a hostile setup fleet as this change makes it highly unlikely that you would be able to predict positioning, particularly whether or not you land near your support. Or your support lands in the middle of a blob of hostiles and your dps lands in the back. This change will encourage people to simply sit on opposite sides of a hole doing NOTHING.

This also breaks some of the more stable mechanics of worm hole life. Like rolling your hole to find interesting content, or to run away from content that is more than interested in you. Or you know just finding a sane exit.

Additionally you change one of the fundamentally positive aspects of wormhole space, and an aspect that makes wh space unique in comparison to k space. You can jump back out if you don't like what you see.

I would add to this that most of the fighting that I have seen in wormholes occurred on wormholes. No one enjoys pos fights. This encourages pos fights. Or more accurately pos spinning.

All in all this is a terrible idea. I currently have 4 accounts. They were subbed for 1 year each those subs come due in September. Between the recent terrible change to research pos, blue prints, and skills, and with proposed changes as inane as this I feel that my time in eve and my continued financial contribution to this game will likely be coming to an end. Too many of these changes are causing people I've played with for years to leave.

PS. No you can't have my stuff.

hah. I just had a vision of 12 hictors becoming the new C5 C6 ragerolling meta.

wait. just put 100 MN on T3s.

what does this change again?

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that wormhole isk hasn't been nerfed by throttling NPC buy orders, it tells me that CCP still wants to make high class wormholes a place for large group gameplay. large rewards for large groups. you know, that there's still hope, they still want to put effort into it. this mass thing makes sense in that way, of pushing wormholes toward a large group thing.

you could tinfoil and say they are promoting multiboxing, but trust me, multibox PVP is a mistake, and even if the tinfoilery is right you should want it too (it's better for you if the gang you face is being multiboxed).

speaking for other groups and using their possible reaction as a reason to claim this is bad isn't just a guess, it's false. subcap PVP is appealing because it's cheap and people push for it. I had to resist nyx steelgamers who constantly pushed for subcap PVP because I didn't feel like updating 10+ medical clones on a daily basis. I fielded 10 B+ and know that PVP is much more appealing when it's ISK limited by something like this wormhole mass disadvantage to caps.

it's a good move. it shouldn't be news to anyone that holding down a wormhole responsibly, especially higher class ones, means having people.

because it is broken, but you don't need to worry. if you live in a smaller wormhole and the spawn distance is based on mass, it affects you less. like 10x less. if caps are landing 30-40 km from holes, something like your cruiser at 115,000,000 kg with a 100 MN prop should land 1/10 of that distance which is 3-4 km... that's still within 5km and reactivation range.

*if* the spawn distance is directly proportional to mass.

How so?

People in low class wormholes tend to use orcas and battleships to roll, not cruisers. They will still face the same issues but to a lesser degree. Bigger/ships will be hit harder that smaller more nimble ships... How is that a good example of balance in an area of space that is already dominated by cruisers?

Having just spent the past couple of hours reading through near the whole Forum Thread, I think everyone will agree that there is a lot of disagreement between the members for and against the expected changes. I will not beat about the bush and say that I am against the current changes – with one caveat.

If they are going to ignore their employers (us) and screw around the way we are ejected from a Wormhole (WH), they must make the same change to every other method of star transit in K-space – Star Gates, Titan Bridges, Jump Bridges, Cynos, everything. Personally I have always thought that if a cyno is killed before the incoming fleet arrives, that fleet should lose its re-entry point to K-Space and be subsequently scattered throughout the systems between their departure point and around their intended destination. This is my own opinion - like it or not, I really don’t care.

To the point, I have for the best part of a year now become increasingly concerned with what is happening to the player base. While I am concerned with the expected changes to the mechanics of the game just like everyone, the mechanics have been done to death in this forum already. My concern is starting up my launcher and seeing the number of accounts logged into my TZ getting smaller with each passing week.

CCP do you keep records of numbers online, Please release them, and be honest.

I can recall when a good week night would see 25k plus accounts logged in. A weekend would see peaks of over 35k online, and I have seen 40k some weekends.

Oh, but people are multi-boxing and PLEX their accounts through the in-game market you argue – SO WHAT! Each account is a PLEX, and PLEX do not just appear in the game through seeding. Someone in Real Life (RL) must spend RL money to buy the PLEX and chose to place the PLEX into the market for other people to buy.

Today, I see between 16k and 19k on during the week, and weekends are lucky to see 30k when the EU TZ is overlapping out TZ around DT. Before EU comes into the game our TZ is often down to between 18k and 22k on a weekend.

What does this mean? - 20,000 accounts is $20 x 20,000 = $400,000 per month, or 12 x $400,000 = $4.8 mill per year. It means that CCPs revenue is down by an estimated 7k to 12k accounts overall in our TZ.

Based on my own TZ observations, and AUST/NZ TZ is by no means the biggest, CCPs income appears to have dropped by $2.5 mil to $3 mil per year over the past 12 months. We, your employers, and I say that because without us ‘the players’ buying PLEX, you CCP, are unemployed. You need to be very aware of that fact when you decide to screw with things that are good and ignore what you tell us is broken.

I personally have lapsed one account, my son has lapsed his only account, my brother has lapsed two accounts, a good friend has lapsed four accounts. I know around 20 other players personally that have lapsed one to three accounts each. Half of them no longer play at all. This is the real effect of the badly thought out content changing CCP conduct with little or no consultation.

To those who stand up with their WH alts and voice their opinion – Well done!

Yes, there are players that support the expected change, and that is what makes EVE the game it is, diversity. However, we all notice that some players hide behind Forum Alts with no playing history, and don’t have the balls to use their main playing character to voice their view. Your choice, but you stand accused being a forum troll with no WH experience or right to voice your opinion in or about our sandpit until you do.

It is safe to say however that by a large majority, the real WH playing fraternity have no fear of their WH game character being identified and do not support the expected changes.

CCP, if you are going to propose a change like this you are going about it the wrong way.

Try talking to the players first - tell us who proposed the idea, and put it up for discussion before you waste development time and money on it.

You created magic with W-Space! However, You started stuffing W-Space with changes to scanning! A WH has no subspace beacon for local communications chat or any other K-Space infrastructure. For that reason alone, No Site of any kind in W-Space should be able to be located without scan probes, and no player owned structures or ships should likewise be able to be located without combat probes or exceptional skill and practice with the D-Scan function.

You (CCP) openly admit that SOV and POS mechanics are broken and need to be fixed. Stop trying to fix what you got right the first time – W-Space, and go fix the SOV and POS mechanics. Instead of losing even more of your employer base, you may just get some of them back.

let's be honest about the shortcut this affects. carrier + orca spawning further out is as appropriate as they are an easy button. i mean, what is the one situation you jumped a dread through a wormhole with the intention of jumping straight back (which is what this change affects).

sorry about the short reply. I realized I should explain myself and added to it.

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I have a feeling that when it gets bad, 'all those players' are gone anyway, and there's nothing to lose... CCP will get serious about selling all those microtransaction clothing items that I want.

you know, hit rock bottom so they can get out from under this oppressive player base. (yes you)

do you know how many times more successful WoW is? cuz if you want to talk about ways that CCP could make more revenue, it's not by catering to the current crowd [insert description of the typical EVE player here].