Wormholes

Yeah as i said, i agree that the ships should spawn outside of jump range but 40km, even 15km for a capital ship that doesn't have a prop mod is ridiculous.

absolutely agree, Rek. this is definitely not high on the list of things people would like to see changed, and this reaction is expected. it shouldn't come as a surprise that CCP's list of priorities is different from the players'. I'm not saying I know CCP's intent, but it's pretty clear who benefits from rolling a hole with 2 ships: the player(s) doing it, despite CCP and other players.

it's different from other changes like Fozzie's wormhole signature delay because there's a way to adjust for it. at least you can roll with ships of lower mass.

I'm on a break, after spending some months under the strain of so much ISK hanging out in the wind in a wormhole. but I ask myself constantly if it's time to go back. I know it's what my mates want. this change doesn't influence my decision much. my support fleet comp will be different, and be copy paste RR battleships (most likely), and maybe an empty oh **** hole closing carrier... but that's about it.

it is proportional, according to one specific attribute, and affecting one direction of travel. it really narrows down what situation was meant to get hit. as a change, it's as effective as they come, with no collateral damage outside of what Fozzie is attempting to balance (from the look of it). I think this is exactly what we should hope changes look like.

lol. not just that, but also with some momentum. vortex, remember

to continue my last post:

this change adds to the usefulness of T3s and T2, which in large part is their range bonus to modules. it also adds the benefit of dreads placed at optimal when they're committed to a hole with the intent to shoot something.

is this not a better version of system connections for offensive caps than stargates

Why does this sound like the most correct explanation? FFS is this the best idea they could come up with? We really are in trouble if it is.

People don't complain when they think things are stale and boring either, they just leave to do other things in the game or leave the game all together. Look at current login player numbers over a week period, look at the breakup of so many groups and their major consolidation of WH groups into only a few players and tell me you think everyone is happy with the current form of WH's.

Do you really think the way WH's are at the moment are in anyway interesting and fun? (trying not to answer a question with a question but..)

Look the only thing i don't like about this change is it isn't showing any consistency in the goal direction of WH space from CCP and that concerns me that they are not being open with what they want from us.

- They leave instant sig overlay (carebear safe mode)
- They come up with a 5min delay for new sigs (no carebears will stay)
- Then they forget they ever mentioned the idea (back to carebear mode)
- They removed sleeper API data becauseit was too powerfull (carebears get a little safer)
- Now this change (clearly a PVP driven idea)

They need to be more consistent with the direction they want to take because they are not balancing it well currently.


Do you think this change will result in more activity in wormhole space (more wormhole connections, more people running sites, more people rolling) or less? [i] Please explain your answer. [/i


I think if they wanted to do something that resulted in more people in WH space they could have chosen something else entirely instead of this, i have never once said this will result in more people in Wh's. The above carebear mode changes have resulted in more people in wh space (You can't deny that)

What i have said is the current way all these players in Wh space interact with each other is stale and SAFE. The people in this thread that are trying to say its not perfectly safe to roll away hostile chains are ******* delusional. There is only very situational times that you can ever kill people rolling away a C5/6 chain on you.

How many times have you found a group you thought would and could fight you only to hear your scout say "nevermind they are rolling" when they want to do it is all over by then with not a thing you can do and that group then picks and chooses its interactions with whoever they want in what is supposed to be a dangerous area of the game.

I actually do feel this will lead to more fun had by WH people and more interactions, the larger groups will still roll holes like they always have with it only taking them a few minutes longer and yes the smaller groups may be more hesitant to do so but now instead of them safely picking the perfect chain whenever they want they will be forced to scan a chain they may have just rolled away because they saw a known entity in the chain.

So yes i think it will lead to less people rolling chains but maybe they shouldn't be rolling away non optimal chains and be forced to interact with other players in an MMO. If you want a safe escalation period and roll away or crit your static you should be at risk to make that happen. if you want to get your 30B or so escalation loot to HS or replace that fleet you just lost you should have to risk more then just rolling the C5 or C6 untill you get a C2/3 HS, you should have to go down some more risky chains or be forced to risk a little more to roll that chain to get the one you want.

The way it is is too easy and too safe. Not only is it safe to roll now it is STOPPING interactions with other players by the chains you get to pick and choose at will in perfect safety at no cost.

If by your own arguments it will stop rage rolling in its tracks then won't people by that same argument be more inclined to run sites if they feel safer that less people are rolling? Won't they then leave their chain open for you to find them? Or bubble it up now for "safety"?

You guys need to accept this is happening and you are probably too late to stop it and instead start working on ideas and iterations on how you think they could make it better TBH.

EDIT: Loving the hate mail from your alts by the way guys, i feed off that thanks.

We have numbers win as a new feature. (in case you were at a loss for what is left)

good suggestion but I think that's an acceptance that this needs changing. I really thing there is no problem here.

I know its probably an easy change to implement and wouldn't take up much dev time,

but that dev time would be better spent elsewhere. There are threads full of better suggestions..

Assuming that this is really a feature, not a bug, I am confused of the intent. Did anyone complain about the ease of combat rolling holes? Its tedious, annoying and - to the WH noob - rather frustrating already. Having caps drop 40km off the hole appears counter-intuitive.

Someone above suggested the reversal - have caps drop right on the hole and scouts 40km out. I can see how that could actually be a decent method to break sieges, have newbs scout more in relative safety but to be honest, I don't see the need for this at all.

So, without any further information, I also vote "no".

Cynically, maybe some CCP Dev woke up one day and remembered that the game had this odd space called "wormholes". He asked around in the office but nobody knew what they were if people used them. So they decided to change something that nobody wanted in order to gauge if anyone notices.

Yes, CCP, people do live in wormhole space. We just keep our heads down to prevent you from screwing around with mechanics you don't understand.

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