Player Features and Ideas Discussion

And the whoel concept of the drone goes down the drain.

Peopel need to stop with hatred ideas. Simply making somethign removed from game is nto the solution.

And no one cares if it doe snto affect PVE. PVE doe snot need balance as much as PVP does.

Battlecruisers and battleships (minus a few noted exceptions) need a serious overhaul with respect to hitpoints/EHP. Battlecruisers (minus command ships) could easily see a +50% hitpoint bump. +100% for battleships (minus Marauders).
If these are the "new" ships for Hyperion, I can't wait...

Thsoe buffs withotu touchign the T2 woudl make their EHP toooo different. I would prefer a 25% for BC, 50% for battleships and an increase of some 20% on dps for battleships (that are NOT drone based, because those are already amazingly powerful).

Tempests Alpha is insane. It's not a DPS ship - it's about blapping things and projecting damage further than other BS. If you want to melt things point blank then gallente is the way forward.

No one uses tempest for alpha. Maesltrom and Tornado have more alpha. No the tempest is NOT an alpha ship because it is outclassed on the department by 2 ships that fillt he role of more nimble and cheaper and the role of larger and with more EHP for roughly same price level.

And that is the whole problem with tempest. It has no ROLE.

Close range brawler? Hyperion, mega, typhoon, even maelstrom and balster rokh laught at it.

Alpha strike? Maelstrom and tornado got that slot.

Mobility ? Typhoon is far superior while fielding more dps and more range and more tank.

Long range fire support? again almost everything in game outshines it.

Neut ship fielding reasonable DPS? Geddon and Domi can field TWICE the number of neuts and still deal WAY more damage then the tempest.

Bait? No not even that.. hyperion, mael, abaddon rokh are far far superior.

Killing solo dumb t1 cruisers.. well at least it can do that.. but still worse than the hyperion and roughly on par with typhoon on that department.

So it is a ship without reason to be!


In the PAST tempest was good. When? BEfore ccp decided taht ewar on unbonused ships woudl be crap, before they nerfed neuts, before trimarks where introduced, before drone damage mods? Why? Because back then a tempests would field an omni ecm that had 4 times more change to jam somethign thatn today on an unbonused hull, and usually would get at least 1 cycle jam. People would use more repair modules before the rig age and when fleets were much smaller, that sided with NOS working till enemy ship is dry meant the tempest coudl take large advantage of the 2 utility highs to feed its own repairers while draining enemy. After drone damage mods were introduced, drone boats can do way more damage than a tempest whielfielding 2 times more Utility slots.


Today the extra mid slot is MUCH MUCH less relevant as are the 2 utility highs (because drone boats are the way to go if you need them).

That is is, tempest has NOTHING on its favor. Being versatile is just an excuse for being a failure in every possible role. Being the 5th best ship for everything in eve is not a small victory in every department. Its a massive global defeat!



The discrepancy how temepst was treated compared to other ships is clear on the hyperion case. To drop the nubmer of weapons to six it go t a super 10% per level damage bonus, while remaining with the repair bonus. The tempest nee to use 2 bonuses !!!

You know what would be the equivalent tempest treatment to the hyperion? 7/5/7 5 TURRETS!!!! 7.5 damage per level 7.5% ROF per level . EXact same treatment that was deemed fair for the hyperion. The tempest the would keep around same DPS but gain a free slot, the same treatment that was deemed fair on the hyperion. So where is the fairness and balance here?

The one interesting thing in all of this is 'why Tempest'? Why did they stuff this thread with something that has nothing to do with HAC. Shows its truly crap.

Terrible DPS, 'tankless'. Its been picked out in a discussion for Heavy Assault Cruisers. Its polluting the discussion. CCP - please stop this now. It deserves a proper fix, not a half arsed mashup because the real issue for this thread is Ishtar/Sentries.

I am surprised that this is all you feel like changing about HACs, especially the Muninn is a ship with virtually no use and all you dish out is a meaningless speed increase?

I just hope something got into your way to tell us about the real changes that will follow later, as otherwise the OP would make me loose a little faith in CCP balancing.

Equal sized Tengu fleet with 100% extra logi + about 30 damp cruisers to half the incoming DPS from the Ishtars seems to be the most effective outside of getting 10 SB Rokhs on the drone herd.

How does the drone concept go down the drain? We're not talking about control range, it's a hard-limit of having to be close to your sentries to make them work. Carriers, domis, rattlers all will be next to their sentries because they're too slow to manuever around. Literally the only ship which would be affected by this is the vexor hull. They can always swap to heavy drones if they really want to fly it. Oh wait, Ishtars are not OP because they have a large drone bay...

You either misunderstood or misread what i said, so i'll explain...

I'm proposing that sentry drones are changed so they move with the host ship (e.g. the ishtar). This would effectively turn them into medium long ranged turrets that float around your ship. This would solve two issues:

1. Sentry tracking would be affected by the host ships movement speed, just like turrets
2. Fast moving sentry ship would no longer be able to exploit their their drones, effectively, double optimal/falloff range by deploying drones and running away.

My corp mates think this defeats the purpose of sentry drones and i can't disagree with that but my response is, so what?! Sentry drones are the problem and it's better to fix the mechanic than to nerf the ship back to being useless again.