Player Features and Ideas Discussion

These changes seem absolutely reasonable and sufficient. Nice to see small tweaks instead of just crushing a ship into oblivion. Any more nerfing on the Ishtar will kill it. Perfect, now how about putting that power grid back into the Vigilant?!

I prefer the current slot layout. If you want to do something for the pest why not reduce the mass a bit so that with a propmod it flies like a heavy battlecruiser.

you would think the mass difference would be a big advantage .. but inevitably its counterbalanced too the point where it isn't .. there speed still ends up in the same area.... and what did the navy omen do? its hardly a beacon of super speed..

the buff to the Eagle is fine and all, but the caldari HAC lineup is still confusing as hell. both the eagle and the Cerb overlap with one another... they do the same thing! i can see one is a missile boat and the other a rail platform... but that cant be all. i know that the Zealot/Sacrilege thing was lighting in a bottle and repeating the same thing without copying it 1:1 is probably impossible, but could we at least define one hull as a HAM brawler and the other one as a rail/HML sniper... as it is the eagle is still a line hull that wont see play on small gangs unless you keep buffing it, until you cave in and give it a drone bay or an extra ewar slot... and then the thing with get OP.

The idea is exaclty the speed to be on same area. The navy omen? Not a speed beacon? Omg have you ever fit one?

Let me explain like this.. we are famous for flyign basically only nano fleets.. and no one of us uses vagabonds. Navy omens on other hand.. even we consider them overpowered.


With my sameimplants.. My navy omen does 2.8 km/s without links. My vaga that has worse damage projection and tracking (altough better tank) goes 50ms more. The supposedly fastest cruiser ever is barely faster than a cruiser of the suposedly slower race. mmm while the laser boat fields better damage application. The extra tank is not relevant. If you ware relayign on speed you are doing it wrong if you take too much damage.


If somethign should be done is INCREASE vagabond speed. I barely do nto see them anymore. PEopel tried them for a hwile after the shiedl boost chagnes but soon epopel noticed that for brawling other ships outshine him by far. And for nano work the cynabal and orthos are superior.

And do not forget the kingof the kitign ships... no I will ot tell wich one, would spoil it. Hint it is not minmatar... and we use a LOT.

I think to be able to understand how to balance the ishtar you need to look up what is it upgrading from, from its basic T1:

Sacrilege: An odd one evolved from the Maller but with missiles. A range bonus, two damage bonuses and a tanking one, very attractive.

Muninn: Straight upgrade from the Rupture with two new bonuses to projection, would have preferred if it had falloff but the Vaga also having it would appear very conflicting, understandable.

Eagle: Again, straight upgrade to the moa, perfect! two bonusbonuses to optimal. Attractive, efficient tho? don't know. Rails are very popular but can't compete well, like the muninn.

Ishtar :...Okay, the way you balanced this ship is, weird? An intact drone damage bonus, dropped its hybrid turret bonus during an update, AND added THREE exotic bonuses to it, Two very specific for different types of drones, drone control? On synergy with the heavy drones, good! Now I've read this thread very thoroughly, players find the sentries very out of place here, very effective vs Battleships you can't deny they aren't for them (400 turret resolution), it is questionable why you guys pushed this role to the ship, a sentry ship, What I'd do I would change its heavy drone speed and tracking bonus to be wide across light,mediums and heavys to 10% per skill level, drop its sentry bonus and add in an attractive armor repair bonus, so you guys can put those medium AARs finally to use, which you pvp hardcores probably won't.

I only focused on rating the Heavy and Slower HACs on my article.

You've said a lot of stupid things, but this is one of your dumbest.

You see them as killmails because sometimes people bring more Ishtars than the first group. Because sometimes people screw up and make mistakes.

But it does not preclude them from being wildly overpowered just because they sometimes die. Those two things are completely unrelated.

Thank you for yet another of your invaluable ad hominem posts.

Please read the whole post, and try to pay attention.

But taking one line completely out of context is obviously such fun

There are two totally separate issues here, most of the focus is on the ishtar, the actual issue here, is not that the ship is OP or not, it is whether there is an effective counter, either with another ship or other tactics?
CCP can see the figures, and I suggest that rather than follow the usual tactic that ends up nerfing whole classes of ship or weapons, IF there is no counter to provide a counter and let players discover how to use it? i suggest another HAC such as the cerberus, there may be far better platforms, but similar class and cost, would be logical.
You do not need a weaker Ishtar, what you need is a better sentry and ishtar killer.
Or possibly we already have one and we do not know it yet?
Is that clear?

Ishtar is so simple to fix... bring its DPS down to 500-600 with heavies and 400 with sentries

if u make it 8/4/7 will it mean remaking it a combat ship rather than attack ship?

an 8/4/7 tempest still doesnt tank as much as a mega, still doesnt do as much dps as a mega and doesnt even have the grid to fit 800's, meta neuts, cap booster, prop mod and 2x1600's.

even a tempest with a 7th gun and 8/4/7 layout it doesnt match up to a mega, but with a little grid love and combat role it may make a hefty artie platform. take away some drone bay and make it very gun boat like.

just a thought

edit- and i should probably add that an 8/4/7 tempest with no other changes takes away more reasons to fly the pest than adds. for me anyways.

a light armour BS with webs and neuts for hunting smaller ships
or a quick shield BS with good application and dps

vs what can only be an armour pest with mediocre dps, mediocre tank and that still suffers from the 'every other ship does my jobs better than me' issue.