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Has suicide ganking become a problem? Empty freighters being ganked.

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baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#2261 - 2014-07-29 07:57:09 UTC
Arkady Romanov wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
I would rather go blow up the bling boats they use.


No reason we can't do both.


And it would mean I might get my hands on a giant space turd...
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#2262 - 2014-07-29 08:01:42 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Arkady Romanov wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
I would rather go blow up the bling boats they use.


No reason we can't do both.


And it would mean I might get my hands on a giant space turd...


I don't think those drop in highsec incursions.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Arkady Romanov
Whole Squid
#2263 - 2014-07-29 08:23:57 UTC
pretty sure its only from null incursions which is why they are so rare.

Whole Squid: Get Inked.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#2264 - 2014-07-29 08:33:54 UTC
Arkady Romanov wrote:
pretty sure its only from null incursions which is why they are so rare.


Isnt it low sec too?
Arkady Romanov
Whole Squid
#2265 - 2014-07-29 08:37:27 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Arkady Romanov wrote:
pretty sure its only from null incursions which is why they are so rare.


Isnt it low sec too?



I checked our wiki and apparently it ONLY drops in lowsec. So I stand corrected.

Whole Squid: Get Inked.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#2266 - 2014-07-29 09:05:00 UTC
Arkady Romanov wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Arkady Romanov wrote:
pretty sure its only from null incursions which is why they are so rare.


Isnt it low sec too?



I checked our wiki and apparently it ONLY drops in lowsec. So I stand corrected.


It's the major factor in why Revenants are so rare.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Darek Castigatus
Immortalis Inc.
Shadow Cartel
#2267 - 2014-07-29 09:20:18 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Arkady Romanov wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Arkady Romanov wrote:
pretty sure its only from null incursions which is why they are so rare.


Isnt it low sec too?



I checked our wiki and apparently it ONLY drops in lowsec. So I stand corrected.


It's the major factor in why Revenants are so rare.


Also a nice income source for those that can be bothered to run them, we've sold a few for a pretty hefty stack of cash over the last couple of years.

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Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#2268 - 2014-07-29 09:24:29 UTC
Darek Castigatus wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:

It's the major factor in why Revenants are so rare.


Also a nice income source for those that can be bothered to run them, we've sold a few for a pretty hefty stack of cash over the last couple of years.


Ah, you guys. You are the other major factor as to why they are so rare. ;)

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Darek Castigatus
Immortalis Inc.
Shadow Cartel
#2269 - 2014-07-29 09:35:33 UTC
Well we do our best :P

Pirates - The Invisible Fist of Darwin

you're welcome
Azov Rassau
Iron Destiny
#2270 - 2014-07-29 12:27:26 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Azov Rassau wrote:

If you looked at my previous posts, you'd see how I notice the attitude problem on miners too, and I agree that miners are generally more rude compared to gankers.

I am trying to pull your attention to the fact that there are attitude problems on both sides, not just miners. To realize this, you actually need to spend some long time in HS and see how awful the situation is.


Yeah, not buying it. There is no moral equivalency between one group who spews out death threats and sexual insults in local at the sight of an alliance ticker, and one that does not.

There is no mutual attitude problem between one group who plays the game by the rules, and one group who wants to get the rules changed so the first group can't exist anymore.

And it's a joke whenever someone tries to equate the two groups.


Just noticed your reply in this threadnought (thanks to eve-search and Chribba). Last I checked this thread had about 30 pages, and now...Oh God. Will it reach 200 pages?

To reply your post: You are talking about the angry, gank-victim carebear and you shouldn't blame the whole mining community like that. As a former highsec miner, in fact I've always seen two types of them (apparently I didn't express myself clearly enough earlier in this thread, when it only (Only!) had about 30 pages) Let's clarify:

1) The carebear (the ones you talk about) is dangerous for this game, because as you said, they want CCP to change the game in order to have a 1337% safe, bot-aspirant highsec mining income. They are lobbying and creating a pressure on CCP to be always safe in highsec (Concord buffs etc.)

2) The industrialist miner, however, knows that ganking is good for the EVE economy. He sees the bigger picture and knows how to protect his assets by not going AFK and he does NOT send real life threats or sexual insults to gankers. He might even have good relations with them and hang out in their channels, buy permits just to support CODE. etc.

Below are just two examples of this 'fine', sane nature of miner that you seem to ignore:

Percival Rose wrote:
I may be one of the few (occasional) miners who actually appreciates the work of CODE. I like a challenge. Having to check my scanners and local while continuously improving my fits is fun. And yes, I occasionally gank too. Highsec is not a hundred percent safe and that's a good thing. I'd be too tempted to just AFK mine if it wasn't the case. I'm looking forward to see the mining community organize defenses, forcing the New Order to innovate. This arms race is great for business.


Jango Cane wrote:
If you are like me and pay attention while mining. -Two accounts one on lap top one on desk top, micro managing your cargo with a orca buddy CODE is not a problem. I'm not afk I wont get ganked I pay attention to local and my surroundings.


I got a permit for the following reasons.

1. I like to role play in eve and it adds something to mining.
2. Buying a permit, is not protection for myself.. being at my key board is protection enough. It is a sponsorship- real miners are sponsoring CODE to gank afk miners who keep the ore price down. It's sponsorship to kill your net flix watching competitors.
3. I know people who manufacture hulks. And personally manufacture catalysts... Again its a sponsorship to drive the price up.

I like what code is doing. Keep up the good work.


See? These miners do not send real life threats or sexual insults to gankers.

While I agree that carebears are rude, let's not just generalize that and blame the whole mining community. By calling it 'one group' you seem to be putting the Industrialist, realistic and 'aware' miner (that I quoted above) to the same level as the carebear, maybe because we almost never hear of these fine people due to the fact that CODE. never manages to gank them (I have some miner friends of this type who still use their 2008-built Hulk in 0.5, simply because they pay attention and play the game, unlike the lazy carebear) or that they're outnumbered by the whiny carebears who cry here and there, or maybe those who know what they are doing aren't willing to teach the rest, probably due to the anti-social nature these communities tend to have.

Be the change you want to see in Highsec.

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Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#2271 - 2014-07-29 13:10:52 UTC
Jango Cane and Percival Rose, my kind of Miners.
Velicitia
XS Tech
#2272 - 2014-07-29 13:12:21 UTC
Azov Rassau wrote:
those who know what they are doing aren't willing to teach the rest, probably due to the anti-social nature these communities tend to have.


No, the bads don't want to listen -- they have their views of the game (hisec = safe, blah blah blah) and don't want to change their views so that they coincide with what EVE really is.

One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia
Christina Project
Screaming Head in a Box.
#2273 - 2014-07-29 13:24:35 UTC
Velicitia wrote:
Azov Rassau wrote:
those who know what they are doing aren't willing to teach the rest, probably due to the anti-social nature these communities tend to have.


No, the bads don't want to listen -- they have their views of the game (hisec = safe, blah blah blah) and don't want to change their views so that they coincide with what EVE really is.

Spot on!

I kept trying, but it's no use when there are mostly weak minded around
who rather ruin it for everybody else.

[i]"Don't look into another human's bowl to see how much he has ... ... look into his bowl to see if he has enough !" - Sol[/i]
Sibyyl
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#2274 - 2014-07-29 13:34:47 UTC
Azov Rassau wrote:
Just noticed your reply in this threadnought (thanks to eve-search and Chribba). Last I checked this thread had about 30 pages, and now...Oh God. Will it reach 200 pages?

To reply your post: You are talking about the angry, gank-victim carebear and you shouldn't blame the whole mining community like that.

As a miner, my initial feeling to a Kaarous post was similar to yours. However, he has clarified his use of 'carebear' several times before:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
It's not about what they do. It's about attitude.

Joffy Aulx-Gao for CSM. Fix links and OGB. Ban stabs from plexes. Fulfill karmic justice.
Velicitia
XS Tech
#2275 - 2014-07-29 14:16:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Velicitia
Christina Project wrote:
Velicitia wrote:
Azov Rassau wrote:
those who know what they are doing aren't willing to teach the rest, probably due to the anti-social nature these communities tend to have.


No, the bads don't want to listen -- they have their views of the game (hisec = safe, blah blah blah) and don't want to change their views so that they coincide with what EVE really is.

Spot on!

I kept trying, but it's no use when there are mostly weak minded around
who rather ruin it for everybody else.



Yep. Though, it does provide for hours of fun when sending volley after volley of (verbal) 1400mm Quake into them.

I am kinda disappointed I didn't have the forethought to get a spy alt into a former alliance ... after we left, I kept in touch for a short while with some of the other pilots ... who had all left that group because in the aftermath of my final engagement with the alliance XO, they did a lot of soul-searching and found that they realized I was on the money ... so, they lost what appears to have been the remainder of their active pilot force ...

As an aside -- I quite liked your previous portrait Christina.

One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia
Luna Lockhearts
Defiant Liberation Corporation
Defiant Collective
#2276 - 2014-07-29 14:16:05 UTC
Does it need a change ? Of course, but will it ? doubt it.
Ever since they added the option of fixing status with tags, ganking has just sky rocketed, there is no consequences to ganking, and even before the tags people would just create a new character in one of their spare slots, train it to a destroyer that takes all of a few hours, gank then delete and do it again, over and over, without any issues.

I get that Eve is hard, I get that nowhere is safe but cmon, is it not just getting a little stupid now ? null sec is the safest of all places, highsec you can't even autopilot anymore without someone taking an interest, irrelevant of what your flying or whats in your cargo.

CCP seems to be unsure of what their doing anymore. Either have consequences and Concord to enforce them or remove Concord all together.

I remember hearing someone call Eve the cesspit of MMO's, which actually hurt me, I've met many, many great people here and although I've probably met just as many if not more of the opposite kind I still enjoy it, i still think the good outweigh the bad and most of the bad are just bad cause it's the internet, most if not all in IRL I'm sure are lovely people.

I guess at the end of the day this is a game where you can do what you want, the way you want, but you must have some rules, or none at all. I just wish they'd make their minds up.

Some people are like Slinky's, Not much good for anything, but they still bring a smile to your face when you push them down a flight of stairs.
Velicitia
XS Tech
#2277 - 2014-07-29 14:18:49 UTC
Luna Lockhearts wrote:

CCP seems to be unsure of what their doing anymore. Either have consequences and Concord to enforce them or remove Concord all together.


+1

Buff hisec, remove CONCORD.

One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#2278 - 2014-07-29 14:32:51 UTC
Luna Lockhearts wrote:

Ever since they added the option of fixing status with tags, ganking has just sky rocketed, there is no consequences to ganking, and even before the tags people would just create a new character in one of their spare slots, train it to a destroyer that takes all of a few hours, gank then delete and do it again, over and over, without any issues.


Gonna stop you right there.

Nobody who ganks uses tags, they cost a fortune and are pointless. Most don't even bother to grin up status either as its just not worth the time, we just stay -10.

As for just making a new alt and recycling. That is a bannable offence and isn't done.


Ganking is not out of control and is not at record levels. It is infact at its lowest level for the last decade.
Luna Lockhearts
Defiant Liberation Corporation
Defiant Collective
#2279 - 2014-07-29 14:37:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Luna Lockhearts
Oh it's a bannable offense ? sorry didn't know that, I thought that's just what they did before tags, and nor did I know people didn't bother with the tags. I know much less than I thought about this xD I was just going off what it seemed like to me, and to me it seems like ganking is seriously on the rise.

Some people are like Slinky's, Not much good for anything, but they still bring a smile to your face when you push them down a flight of stairs.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#2280 - 2014-07-29 15:16:25 UTC
Luna Lockhearts wrote:
I know much less than I thought about this xD I was just going off what it seemed like to me, and to me it seems like ganking is seriously on the rise.

This is standard for general discussion, don't worry.

Everyone agrees with you anyway

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