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Has suicide ganking become a problem? Empty freighters being ganked.

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Christina Project
Screaming Head in a Box.
#2221 - 2014-07-28 16:59:32 UTC
We should end this thread.

It's just agenda with negative outlook for the game.

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Noragli
Doomheim
#2222 - 2014-07-28 17:09:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Noragli
Christina Project wrote:
We should end this thread.

It's just agenda with negative outlook for the game.


Yes there is an agenda, to make ganking harder. You only just got that? The pointless ganking of empty ships in what is supposed to be a reasonably safe area of space by large groups of organised players is not good for the game.
Benny Ohu
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#2223 - 2014-07-28 17:11:25 UTC
Noragli wrote:
Christina Project wrote:
We should end this thread.

It's just agenda with negative outlook for the game.


Yes there is an agenda, to make ganking harder. You only just got that? The pointless ganking of empty ships in what is supposed to be a reasonably safe area of space by large groups of organised players is not good for the game.

Quote:
because


"the requirement to have large groups of organised players to pointlessly gank ships is bad for the game" - benny ohu
Christina Project
Screaming Head in a Box.
#2224 - 2014-07-28 17:15:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Christina Project
Noragli wrote:
Christina Project wrote:
We should end this thread.

It's just agenda with negative outlook for the game.


Yes there is an agenda, to make ganking harder. You only just got that? The pointless ganking of empty ships in what is supposed to be a reasonably safe area of space by large groups of organised players is not good for the game.

Bullshit.

Much more meta behind it.

You know it.
I know it.

Just the sheep don't realize.

You're just a plant.

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Benny Ohu
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#2225 - 2014-07-28 17:22:00 UTC
Christina Project wrote:
You know it.
I know it.

You're both nuts.
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#2226 - 2014-07-28 17:22:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
Noragli wrote:
It's not specifically ganking by itself that is the problem, it's that people are now taking it too far and efforts should be made to curb that behaviour.
By "efforts should be made to curb that behaviour" are you suggesting that players should make that effort, or that they should abdicate their responsibility for their own safety to CCP?

If it's the former, fine, the tools are already there for them to do so, their laziness is not the gankers fault.
If it's the latter then you should seriously think about playing a game where the Devs will hold your hand, Eve is not it.

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Benny Ohu
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#2227 - 2014-07-28 17:24:29 UTC
seriously if 'carebears whining in gd about ganking' was evidence of conspiracy then so 'the sun rises in the morning' would be evidence of conspiracy
Christina Project
Screaming Head in a Box.
#2228 - 2014-07-28 17:24:52 UTC
Benny Ohu wrote:
Christina Project wrote:
You know it.
I know it.

You're both nuts.

Sheep. *shrug*

[i]"Don't look into another human's bowl to see how much he has ... ... look into his bowl to see if he has enough !" - Sol[/i]
Christina Project
Screaming Head in a Box.
#2229 - 2014-07-28 17:25:41 UTC
Benny Ohu wrote:
seriously if 'carebears whining in gd about ganking' was evidence of conspiracy then so 'the sun rises in the morning' would be evidence of conspiracy

Dude, if you reduce reality to this,
then you really should avoid the topic completely.

[i]"Don't look into another human's bowl to see how much he has ... ... look into his bowl to see if he has enough !" - Sol[/i]
Benny Ohu
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#2230 - 2014-07-28 17:26:47 UTC
Christina Project wrote:
Benny Ohu wrote:
seriously if 'carebears whining in gd about ganking' was evidence of conspiracy then so 'the sun rises in the morning' would be evidence of conspiracy

Dude, if you reduce reality to this,
then you really should avoid the topic completely.

you're not making sense.
Sibyyl
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#2231 - 2014-07-28 18:29:59 UTC
Noragli wrote:
It's not hypocritical. A one off gank of an Orca is vastly difference than a large group of organised players who play the game solely for the purpose of ganking as many ships as they can, even when there is no profit to be had. Empty freighters, even when tanked, are sometimes killed just because they can (proof that ganking is too easy or that the punishment is not severe enough) It's not specifically ganking by itself that is the problem, it's that people are now taking it too far and efforts should be made to curb that behaviour.


You (Noragli) and her friends gank an Orca. End result: An Orca is destroyed.
A group of organized gankers gank an Orca. End result: An Orca is destroyed.

Are you saying that CCP should implement game mechanics that cripple organized player collaboration?

Are you saying that when someone commits a gank in which they end up being ISK negative (ie: empty freighter), then there should be some game mechanics to penalize this kind of game play?

When you say "taking it too far".. would the Orca pilot agree? When you gank that pilot are you somehow destroying LESS than an Orca? When an organized group of players ganks that Orca, are they destroying MORE than an Orca?

What is the fundamental difference? I honestly do not understand and maybe you can clarify your thoughts.

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Christina Project
Screaming Head in a Box.
#2232 - 2014-07-28 18:39:19 UTC
Benny Ohu wrote:
Christina Project wrote:
Benny Ohu wrote:
seriously if 'carebears whining in gd about ganking' was evidence of conspiracy then so 'the sun rises in the morning' would be evidence of conspiracy

Dude, if you reduce reality to this,
then you really should avoid the topic completely.

you're not making sense.

That's because of Dunning-Krueger, Benny!

[i]"Don't look into another human's bowl to see how much he has ... ... look into his bowl to see if he has enough !" - Sol[/i]
Christina Project
Screaming Head in a Box.
#2233 - 2014-07-28 18:40:24 UTC
Sibyyl wrote:
Noragli wrote:
It's not hypocritical. A one off gank of an Orca is vastly difference than a large group of organised players who play the game solely for the purpose of ganking as many ships as they can, even when there is no profit to be had. Empty freighters, even when tanked, are sometimes killed just because they can (proof that ganking is too easy or that the punishment is not severe enough) It's not specifically ganking by itself that is the problem, it's that people are now taking it too far and efforts should be made to curb that behaviour.


You (Noragli) and her friends gank an Orca. End result: An Orca is destroyed.
A group of organized gankers gank an Orca. End result: An Orca is destroyed.

Are you saying that CCP should implement game mechanics that cripple organized player collaboration?

Are you saying that when someone commits a gank in which they end up being ISK negative (ie: empty freighter), then there should be some game mechanics to penalize this kind of game play?

When you say "taking it too far".. would the Orca pilot agree? When you gank that pilot are you somehow destroying LESS than an Orca? When an organized group of players ganks that Orca, are they destroying MORE than an Orca?

What is the fundamental difference? I honestly do not understand and maybe you can clarify your thoughts.

Damn you're so sexy when you sound like you're raging a bit! :D

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Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite
The Conference
#2234 - 2014-07-28 19:10:55 UTC
Some of the more recent EVE trailers of CCP tell us how the influence of the Capsuleers is growing and the "empires are loosing their grasp on power". I think what they meant was their crappy Tractor Units and other deployable stuff (you really think the CONCORD dude was scared because of that?), like always it's up to the players to really implement the vision behind their funny little attempt at actually implementing some gameplay.

Now how ironic would it be if CCP tries to nerf the movement that tries to realize their vision for Highsec (where capsuleers gain more influence) even more (like they always do).

But we will always win, because this is not carebear vs. ganker or industrialist vs. pirat. This is "soloplayer with a desire for complete isolation" vs. "group of MMO players with an interest in how the game works". The sooner you realize that the sooner you will understand how futile your attempts to push CCP for nerfs are.

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Benny Ohu
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#2235 - 2014-07-28 19:20:51 UTC
Christina Project wrote:
Benny Ohu wrote:
Christina Project wrote:
Benny Ohu wrote:
seriously if 'carebears whining in gd about ganking' was evidence of conspiracy then so 'the sun rises in the morning' would be evidence of conspiracy

Dude, if you reduce reality to this,
then you really should avoid the topic completely.

you're not making sense.

That's because of Dunning-Krueger, Benny!

this has nothing to do with anything.
admiral root
Red Galaxy
#2236 - 2014-07-28 20:19:05 UTC
Noragli wrote:
Yes there is an agenda, to make ganking harder. You only just got that? The pointless ganking of empty ships in what is supposed to be a reasonably safe area of space by large groups of organised players is not good for the game.


Why would you want to make something harder that's already pretty rare?

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loyalanon
The Conference Elite
The Conference
#2237 - 2014-07-28 21:00:37 UTC
112 Pages of tears!!!

Freighters keep dying you keep crying!
Christina Project
Screaming Head in a Box.
#2238 - 2014-07-28 21:51:16 UTC
Ima Wreckyou wrote:
Some of the more recent EVE trailers of CCP tell us how the influence of the Capsuleers is growing and the "empires are loosing their grasp on power". I think what they meant was their crappy Tractor Units and other deployable stuff (you really think the CONCORD dude was scared because of that?), like always it's up to the players to really implement the vision behind their funny little attempt at actually implementing some gameplay.

Now how ironic would it be if CCP tries to nerf the movement that tries to realize their vision for Highsec (where capsuleers gain more influence) even more (like they always do).

But we will always win, because this is not carebear vs. ganker or industrialist vs. pirat. This is "soloplayer with a desire for complete isolation" vs. "group of MMO players with an interest in how the game works". The sooner you realize that the sooner you will understand how futile your attempts to push CCP for nerfs are.

Lol propaganda.

[i]"Don't look into another human's bowl to see how much he has ... ... look into his bowl to see if he has enough !" - Sol[/i]
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#2239 - 2014-07-28 21:59:37 UTC
Noragli wrote:

Yes there is an agenda, to make ganking harder. You only just got that? The pointless ganking of empty ships in what is supposed to be a reasonably safe area of space by large groups of organised players is not good for the game.


It's great for the game. Player freedom is the primary selling point of EVE Online after all.

"Because I can" is always a good enough reason to gank. Or do anything else for that matter. If I want to buy a carrier and undock in lowsec and announce it so everyone can kill me, "because I can" is a good enough reason for that too.

It's not "pointless ganking", it's player freedom. Either people should have it, or they shouldn't.

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Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite
The Conference
#2240 - 2014-07-28 22:00:26 UTC
Christina Project wrote:
Ima Wreckyou wrote:
Some of the more recent EVE trailers of CCP tell us how the influence of the Capsuleers is growing and the "empires are loosing their grasp on power". I think what they meant was their crappy Tractor Units and other deployable stuff (you really think the CONCORD dude was scared because of that?), like always it's up to the players to really implement the vision behind their funny little attempt at actually implementing some gameplay.

Now how ironic would it be if CCP tries to nerf the movement that tries to realize their vision for Highsec (where capsuleers gain more influence) even more (like they always do).

But we will always win, because this is not carebear vs. ganker or industrialist vs. pirat. This is "soloplayer with a desire for complete isolation" vs. "group of MMO players with an interest in how the game works". The sooner you realize that the sooner you will understand how futile your attempts to push CCP for nerfs are.

Lol propaganda.

Lol out of arguments

Evil RatKid