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Completely agree after doing some post-patch industry on TQ. A TE skill, regardless of magnitude, is completely useless to my manufacturing - at least for boosters the production time at the drug lab is already way faster than it was pre-patch. And with infinite slots I can just buy another BPC and use another concurrent slot if I put up more POS reaction lines. So for this line of industry TE = useless.

TE is only going to matter if I get into high-end BPO research, it would seem. Given the new infinite slots regime. But with what happened on the conversion to the new ME/TE numbering system and people gaming the patch conversion to get 10% ME BPOs and circumvent the current post-patch ridiculous research times and insane costs, its going to be a long time before that ever happens. Maybe never. Can't compete with pre-patch 10% ME BPOs.

No, 3%/level isn't a fix. It just makes the skill marginally less useless.

The old skill was pretty much essential (and to level 5) for anyone who did any manufacturing on a regular or semi-regular basis. The new skill is only of any use to someone who is running lots of manufacturing jobs more or less constantly. The 1%/level makes it equivalent to level 6 Advanced Mass Production.

3%/level means you can run nearly 12 jobs in the time it would take to run 10 without the skill. If you have MP and AMP to level 5 and are running 10 jobs, that's probably useful, though I doubt many characters would choose to train it to level 5. I certainly, as an occasional manufacturer for whom material efficiency is important and time efficiency isn't, would not choose to train the skill at all in its new form.

While you're throwing free skill points at people who hadn't trained drone skills (and missing), I feel like 768,000 SPs have been stolen from me.

The whole "we avoid refunding SP whenever possible" seems a bit silly now that drone skills are getting refunded for even less of a change than this.

Not empty quoting . . .

I trained ME and Metallurgy to V on an Int/Mem remap that was primarily focused on support skills for a WH alt. Knew I'd want to do some manufacturing at some point, and knew that I also wanted to be able to perfect refine modules (Metallurgy V is a prereq for Scrapmetal Processing). I specifically knew the ME skill was regarded as "indispensable," and so made the conscious decision to set back my training plan by several weeks, expecting the payoff in the future. I did this knowing that CCP sometimes nerfs skills, and sometimes removes skills outright, but that they have a track record of compensating players when they straight up pull a skill of the shelf like they did with ME V.

I was pissed when Scrapmetal Processing got the nerf bat, but didn't expect a SP refund, because it was a nerf, not outright removal of the skill. It sucked, but CCP's argument as to why they were nerfing reprocessing made sense.

I was pissed when they removed ME from the game - again, it sucked, but CCP's argument as to why they were removing it made sense. What did not make sense - what will never make sense - is having the balls to straight up delete the weeks I spent training a certain skill, and then turn around and tell me with a straight face that they're doing it to protect the integrity of the skill queue system. Saying the opposite of the truth does not make it the truth, even if you have a dev tag on your portrait.

Waiting for CCP's next step, like deciding that Heavy Interdictor Cruisers are bad for the meta and need to be removed, and then just transforming the HIC skill into a skill that decreases the time spent in warp between systems because refunds "devalues" player decisions.

The decision not to refund SPs in this situation is not just a bad decision because its counterintuitive and unfair. It's a bad decision because it is a bad precedent, and does exactly what CCP should never want to do - it completely devalues the concept of SP earned over time.

Players who had Combat Drone Operation at 5 but Scout Drone Operation less than 5 prior to Kronos received Drone Avionics at less than 5 at Kronos.

Yesterday during downtime, CCP tried to bump their Drone Avionics to 5 and refund any 'extra' SP (that they had earned by training Drone Avionics in the meantime), but failed miserably and ended up reducing their Drone Avionics skill down to whatever it was a few months ago and not actually refunding any SP.

Update for those keeping track, most of the changes for this skill should now be live, but the invention and reverse engineering bonuses will not be hooked up until tomorrow's downtime, sorry. Thanks for your patience!

It was intended to go out tomorrow (and will be patchnoted accordingly). I would've probably added something to the notes today but I was out sick this morning (undercooked chicken, I think) so I missed the deployment.

maybe you should have included your time efficiency skills in your cooking you wouldn't be sick right now. :)


hope you get well soon sir..your comment made me laugh.

Hell, it turned out an additional -15% to build times can be critically important. Yesterday I ****** up the timer for refueling my alt's tower and had to rush in to manufacture more fuel blocks.

Without that bonus from my Advanced Industry Skill, or even with that paltry 1%/level bonus it was before now, I wouldn't have completed my fuel run in time. Which would have been bad, since I also ****** up with holding enough fuel blocks in reserve and this happened just before I wanted to go to bed. So I didn't have the time to get more fuel blocks and the tower would have gone out of fuel deep in the night.

But I have to say, altering the skill to 3%/level really saved me a lot of headaches, here.

Also with all my skills, I shave off more then a third on build time. This is a shitload even if you just build small stuff. With larger crap like T2-ships, it's a godsend: I had a lot of ships before Crius who would have built for something silly like a day + few hours. Now all those blueprints allow me to manufacture my ships in under a day. Quite important when you build stuff in a POS.

Overall, good work CCP.

Nice to see you didn't read the rest of my post. A reduction in time for about 15% is important for me and a lot of other people who don't want to see their materials evaporate if they get hit by an inconvenient wardec.

So yes, time does matter, even if you just get a few extra hours.