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First steps taken in reorganising Industry - good effort CCP despite the old code (and somewhat 'precious' playerbase). With more patches and work this'll turn out well. Haven't had a chance to play with everything yet, so reserving judgement, but two small points:

- Can't lock the Industry window, like you can every other window. Consistency is important.

- The new Planetary Interaction window is so small and displays so little, you may as well keep it as a tab in the Industry window. PI is part of industry, after all, and we don't need yet another button to clog our already-full sidebars when it'll slot neatly back in with its parent window.

Otherwise, as mentioned, will have to play with this expansion for a bit to get a feel for things before more can be said. Keep up the effort!

Oh, also I feel this was a missed opportunity to include some great industrial-themed skins for ships and clothes for avatars. Hopefully we'll see some in future patches. Hint hint. ;)

Most lovely **** is you have to pay in your OWN pos, also in your OWN space. This beats even Fozzie pretending to improve Battlecruisers. GJ CCP, "per aspera ad astra".

How about when you start a job the line disappears instead of staying and being greyed out., saves space, looks better and stops people going well that´s stupid i have to change location before they go.

I am relatively new to industry and I really like the new interface and the changes.
So much information in one place.
And research is now possible for me, no more waiting weeks until a slot is available.
I don't care much about costs and stuff right now, because I'm doing only small stuff for myself atm.
Keep the improvements going. :) *thumbs up*

I'm trying to figure out the math here for ME savings. So if I have a BPC/BPO, and lets say all its inputs are low numbers, say less than 20. That would mean I would need at least a 5% ME bonus to get any materials savings, since all fractions are rounded up correct? So 2% from a POS, and 3% from a team?

If you produce only one item - yes. But if you produce pack of items - you can get benefit from every 1%.

My greatest beef with this patch is that its going to drive up ship and fittings costs significantly. The System Cost Index is going ensure that this will happen, because moving industrial activities away from the trade hubs may lower installation job costs but will dramatically increase hauling requirements. Time is also money, and industrialists will not be willing to sell their product for anywhere near pre-patch prices if they have to make hundreds more freighter jumps to build and sell things, along with the taxes and higher job installation costs layered on top.

Eve lives or dies on PvP and player-generated content from PvP - that's the defining characteristic of the game. But unaffordable ships and fittings is really going to hurt PvP activities. This patch really looks to me like Hauling Online. Because that's really what this System Cost Index appears to entail.

And woe to POS owners who have a large manufacturing tower in a busy highsec system. You'll be playing way more Hauling Online than most, because that tower will be coming down. I can't see why, at this point, anyone would want to use a large tower to do any sort of production in highsec and defend it well, because you can spend days worth of game time setting it up only to find that the System Cost Index has changed and you can't do any S&I jobs profitably there anymore. Its going to be all small towers with <24 hour jobs to deal with wardecs, because nobody can control the SCI.

So yeah, Hauling Online instead of affordable PvP. And a huge buff to nullsec industry even though the sov null blocs already wipe their a$$es with ISK. I guess the nerf to JF stats and fuel consumption is the trade-off here, but that can be dealt with using inactive wormhole routes since low class wormhole inhabitants are few and far between these days.

I'm just not getting this patch, outside of trying to create a giant ISK sink and lay it (mostly) on highsec and force everybody to spend more of their precious game time in a hauler. I dunno about the rest of you, but I'm not paying my subscription so that I can stare at stargates all day long and effectively live out of my freighter.

Probably all already said....

Putting colour bars under ME/PE and the installations doesn’t work at all, it fails to provide information in a meaningful way. For ME/TE it’s animated and that’s gets old quickly, it has no apparent scale (a colour gradient could help) and it is a duplication of the precise and perfectly visible percentages that are the only thing providing ‘at a glance’ information.
For the facilities it took me a bit of scrolling to realise that the red bar was a scale at all and that you were therefore attempting to be consistent. The facilities tab seems a failure as a source of useful information that I can interpret and use. I think I am meant to do something based on the system index cost, but what, there is no explanation as to what the incentives are.

The teams tab is a step into the weird as far as design goes. There is a bar you click called ‘Team Chartering’ and it takes a minute to work out what changes when you click it. When the tab is showing the allocated teams the bar should say ‘Team Auctions’ and when the tab is showing the team auctions the bar should read ‘Allocated Teams’ (or similar).

Staying with the teams tab there is something going on with the team icons that I don’t get – why are they wearing different coloured suites? I’ve been looking at it for a while and it doesn’t seem to be getting more obvious and yet I’m sure it must mean something.
Specialties are a bit odd, there are four pop up lists of things that a team specialises in and they aren’t short lists. It would be impossible to work out what blueprint went with what team if you were simply browsing teams looking for a place to build or whatever it is you do with this information. Perhaps colour coding the blueprints and their speciality would make more sense so a battleship blueprint had a red dot in the corner and the specialty was red – that would be awful but better than trying to remember what belongs to what.

The icons for ME/invention etc. are rubbish. I don’t think you can use two conical flasks, a microscope and the symbol for atomic energy next to each other like that. They could all be interpreted as meaning ‘Science’ and when I think of reverse engineering Chernobyl does not spring to mind. They should be much more meaningful and distinct.
ME has nothing to do with jewellery so it is baffling as to what relevance the diamond has to that. The hour glass for TE makes sense as does the factory for building but diamonds mean nothing.

As contracts weren’t updated they show ME and TE as positive values and not percents at all, I think that looks better. More generally and taking a step back from the specifics of industry or Eve at all, it is really weird to use an objective measured as a percent where the ultimate ‘dream’ target is neither 0% or 100%. Trying to explain someone who does not play Eve that I’m aiming to get things to -10% would make anyone sound mad.
Previously the target was 0% waste and it’s simple to explain to anyone that plays or not why that is a good thing. This is madness, the bodge fix would be to make the percent positive so the sentence ‘Im aiming for plus ten percent material efficiency’ could be used, ‘Im aiming for minus ten percent material efficiency’ is just ****ing stupid.


Overall I think it is poorly considered and executed, the more you more you look the more weird you see. Why not say ‘Total estimated build cost’ and ‘Total estimated sale price’ rather than calling both ‘Total estimated price’ (even better, subtract one from the other and tell me that), it’s as if there is no idea of what an industrialist is trying to achieve by building something.
It is a lot of database spew with some art and that spew has taken priority over presenting useful and usable information to the user. I think with ME in particular its specific meaning in an equation has become all consuming and any thought as to how a new player will intuitively grasp the concepts that are being expressed have gone out of the window – no one has read this interface out loud. I think that is summed up by a CCP employee getting confused to the extent of using World as a filter for teams when they meant Universe.


I find it too confusing to know what the market will do and how much stuff will cost to make, I’m in the market for a third party tool to help me out. There is no purpose in grand statements of quitting as I don’t get the impression that CCP is really that concerned. I don’t think industry is for me at the moment and BPO trading doesn’t make sense anymore. I have to find a new activity to make it worthwhile for me to start the game up; I just can’t see what that will be at the moment.

I don't like the look and feel of the reprocessing interface. Reminds me of a pre-school sticker book. Bring back the old interface with check boxes and the actual names of output products. The only thing good about it is it shows just how much ISK your going to lose!

Industry UI is great, but when I always have

BPO in one corp division
Materials in another corp division
My products going to 3rd division

the clickfest gets beyond annoying. Give me default input-output divisions already.