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What people tend to forget, even roleplaying slavers won't make the cost of feeding your slaves go away. Sure, you could just work them to death, but then CCP could say fine, we'll do it your way. Then you would have days or weeks were you couldn't start any jobs because you would have to abduct new slaves first.

So suck it up and pay your work crews, you clown.

From Patch notes for Crius 1.1

What this was supposed to mean? My Capital Trimark Armor Pump II BPC still shows around 15% greater materials requirments (despite being an ME-9% one) than it showed right before Crius landed.

Here what it was before (I invented it using Occult Process so it had ME-1):
Interface circuit: 90
Intact armor plates: 78
Nanite Compound: 60

Here what it is now:
103
90
69

I don't see any sane reason while actual material requirments for rigs should be raised by 15%. So it's either some display bug, or badly made transition from old to new values.

Nowhere did CCP promise post-update material costs would be identical to the material costs pre-update. They picked a method of updating the blueprints that was as clear and as consistent as possible, trying to keep the numbers in the same general ballpark. Remember, they're removing waste and extra materials, and completely flipping the ME calculations on its head, so exact numbers isn't going to happen.

But the same numbers that look "wrong" to you now are the same numbers that look "wrong" to everyone else producing that same item. If you are manufacturing for market, adjust your cost calculations to come up with new profit calculations and margins. The market will adjust, though in this period of chaos some may make it big and some may lose big.

If you were manufacturing for personal use only, then it may be cheaper during this period of chaos to purchase items from the market that are still priced low due to stockpiling than trying to manufacture.

From what I've seen after a brief glance at my own blueprints, most material costs have gone up. Sure, it sucks, but the costs didn't just go up for me. They went up for everyone. This means sell values will increase. The costs will be passed onward to the consumer. They are the ones who should be concerned, not the manufacturers.

**** I'm begging for a Dev reply. ****

With regards to jobs in progress pre-Crius, I figured out (with much anxiety) that I could take down the labs and tower without interrupting the jobs in progress. Clearer language on this in the patch notes would have been greatly appreciated.

However, I have a new anxiety source. I'd like to move those BPOs with the jobs in progress to my new corp home. Will doing so interfere with the pre-Crius job completion? Logically I'd think not, but I don't like to assume anything.

Please provide a simple yes or no, not a description of how it will work. The previous answers on this topic have been unnecessarily descriptive without providing a concise answer.

Rogue drones can do all of that themselfes, but hey, we need humans!
Also the amount of ISK the workers get paid is ridicculous, according to lore (unless that changed massively) 1 Mil ISK would be enough for a normal human to retire at birth, basically the amount of ISK we'd have to pay a crew on a POS would be so small we wouldn't even notice it. They'd be happy with some waste from the fuel blocks.
The amount they get NOW is way above the income of an capsuleer, completely out of sync with the lore, so thats absolutely no excuse for this crap. Pure ISK sink, nothing more.

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To busy falling about laughing at this lot, predict rampant inflation followed by market implosion, Explain that one to your player base.

This This This This This, what they did was increase costs for ALL t2 items while increasing build times & invention times for MOST all items.

The only thing these changes accomplish is inflation coupled with the need for more users to produce to satisfy the same level of demand(increasing goods costs further).

And I was merely trying to explain how such a short-sighted and overly-simplified notion of paying wages doesn't even come close to explaining the ISK sink in any sort of rational manner. Perhaps we are going to have to agree to disagree in this case.


In either one of the devblogs or one of the forum threads, they said that they were adjusting T2 blueprint materials upwards by 50% to account for removal of waste, extra materials, etc. The old ME-4 was 50% waste added to the blueprint. There was a lot of discussion around how 37.5% increase was better, etc. but that doesn't matter because the same number applies across the board.

I'm not going to pretend that I dived deep enough into the numbers or the discussion to have an opinion on what those numbers should have become. The only thing I really cared about as far as that process goes is what you observed and stated, and what I needed to do to adjust to the new reality: things are going to be more expensive now.


Adjust your cost and profit calculations, wait for the market to settle if you can't sell at a profit, or keep a keen eye out for crazy good deals that people accidentally list way below current market value. Everyone will have to adjust, it's not just you. Personally, my two indy accounts are about to expire so I'm going to let them lapse for a month or so for the market to settle and CCP to work out the bugs. I have enough capital that I don't need to generate an income, though I will be doing that (at a reduced rate to manufacturing) through normal living in W-space. I don't particularly have the time or inclination to try to take advantage of the market changes right now.


You don't have to suddenly sell at a loss because the costs are rising, unless you're living day by day and have zero liquid capital. And if you are living day to day, you probably shouldn't be making T2 capital rigs, since that's a rather large investment in a relatively slow moving market. We in W-space are trying to kill as many capitals as we can to help that market though :)

If you are manufacturing for self or for corp, then like the rest of the consumers (ie: everyone), your costs are going to go up as well. This also isn't just affecting you, so at least it's equitable, even if it does suck :) It may be better to purchase finished product from the market in some cases for a while until the market adjusts and stockpiles run out.

I may not necessarily like everything about the industry update, but I do think the repercussions of adjusting the blueprint materials and scrapmetal reprocessing that we are facing now is completely worth revamping the manufacturing process to eliminate the klunky waste and extra materials and greatly simplify the calculations, though. We just need time to let the market settle at its new values.

I don't have any objections to production and research paradigm's change. I just pointing the fact that someone's over-obsession with unification adds additional havoc where it could be avoided. Tell me, for what good reason we can't have separate leveling range for t2 BPCs, going from from 0% to 20% (they could keep 0-10% range for regular BPOs/BPCs if it needed), to keep old material requirments in place? To keep old effectivness of decryptors (which now became much more useless than even before)? Can you poing it out? Of course, aside from the fact you will need a couple of additional brain cells to hold these two ranges in memory simultaneously, and that it's not totally unifed one, nice-looking and all round-up system. This pursuit for good and flashy picture which looks nice on surface despite it ruins more vital stuff under the hood starts to inflict too much disaster to merely shrug it off.

Well, being a sov holder and a station owner, i can ask some things from CCP.

a/ Being located in Amarr null, i want a button with the option to use Minmatar slaves instead of workers (pretty legal down here).

b/ I set a rent of 2 bil./month to SCC to have an office with a representative in my station to collect taxes, otherwise i want a button saying "Decompress SCC office" and just throw them out in space.