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The game has absolutely nothing to with why those people don't find it appealing. The tools are there.

They just won't pick them up and use them. They'd rather just howl in local or on the forums, and go back to making the green number get bigger.

It can be done. I know because I have done it to others, and had it done to me. Their only excuse is themselves.

[edit: And as Ramona has mentioned, I am talking about self defense. I apologize if that was not clear. But honestly, if you want it to apply to revenge you can do that too.

Pretty sure this thread is about suicide ganking & not 1v1 honour duel space-bushido pvp.

Doesnt matter if its just one pilot, its still tens of thousands of trips.

Hey there, sweetheart ...

... can I impose my "gameplay" onto you? ;)

Are you talking to me... or him? *snickers xD*

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I'm just gonna chime in to give my 2 cents for what it's worth, couple things first though. First, I'm a carebear, always have been and likely always will be, one who sees little point or reason to claim I'm a pro when it comes to PVP. In fact, that is experience I have very little of. Second, no, I did not read all of the 2000+ other replies to this thread and not going to.

And, before it's asked, yes...I've lost way more isk to ganks than a freighter's worth.

If ganks are a problem now, then they have been a problem for over a decade (and, just so we're clear, my point is it's not). This is nothing new. Ganking ships with no reasonably practical or obvious purpose has been and will likely always be present in Eve, so long as ganking for any reason is. It may not be routine at times or common, but it's been there. Ganking of empty freighters for the sheer "fun" of it doesn't strike me as abnormal or unexpected behavior, just unfortunate that the ganker is the only one who's potentially walking away happy (then again, that's not really his problem). People will gank ships merely for having been blessed with the almighty Art Team's work, or simply because it's new. I tell people, it's us players "breaking new ships in" and "It's Eve's way of proper christening ships". If you think you (other freighter/miner/hauler/various high sec pilots who might be on the receiving end of ganks) should now suddenly be so concerned with another play-style that's been around for a long time, my advice is don't be so alarmed. Eve is not suddenly so much more dangerous than it ever has been. Just do as others have successfully...play smarter. It's not so simple to do just that, I know, but it's neither that hard to do. The game's not broken, the mechanics aren't being flushed down the toilet, and ganks are not getting out of control.

tl;dr
Nothing to see here, everything is working as intended. Stop worrying so much about it and work on a plan to avoid being a helpless victim. You are not so helpless if you think about it enough.

True, though all anyone can really do to help them fix that is to try and tell them that. No one can hold there hand, and if they are not willing to adapt to the idea that sometimes you have to think things out to find a solution rather than hope (or demand) that it be fixed for them, then there is nothing else that can be done. Personal problem solving and resourcefulness is not something CCP or anyone else will, nor ever should, replace. You are right, though, history shows people generally don't want to have to think things out, especially if someone else can do the thinking for them.

A fitting analogy would be the difference between a well to do suburb with regular police patrols (high sec), and a rough ghetto area where the police barely step (low sec). The residents of the ghetto are always keeping their eyes open and focusing on potential threats because that's the nature of where they live. The residents of the suburbs still have to not do completely idiot things like leave windows open when they go out, but at the same time can reasonably expect not to have to cross the street any time they see someone walking in their direction.

Many of the people here think that highsec should just become like low sec. Unfortunately many of the people playing the game are playing because they find suburbia enjoyable, and have no desire to move out to the projects. It's not their game style, they don't enjoy it, and they want to pursue other parts of the game that have been here just as long as ganking has. The first group of people want the second group of people to change or leave the game, despite the fact that this would almost certainly stop the game being profitable.

TLDR: Expect another ganking nerf within the next 6 months at the longest.

Not a good analogy. Unlike RL police CONCORD does not prevent crimes. Unlike CONCORD, RL police don't avenge crimes. RL people don't awaken in clones when they die.

TL;DR, hisec was never advertised as the 'burbs.. and you can play RL simulator in RL, not EVE.

Edit: A better analogy would be that hisec is like a town in the Wild West with a sheriff. The sheriff can't be everyone at once, and likely won't stop a crime from occurring if he's not close by. People can shoot you at any time because everyone carries guns.