EVE General Discussion

i'd be on the edge of my seat if my immense girth allowed me to move so far

the lice within are twitching with anticipation

We all have the same toolset available to us.

Surely you recognize that there are people, and plenty of them have been in lockstep agreement with you, that think otherwise? The people who tell you things like "if you want PvP then go to lowsec instead". They are literally saying that PvP should not happen in highsec.

If that doesn't apply to you, then I wasn't talking about you.




Of course, just look at the majority of the people who live there. Far too many of them just want to see the green numbers get bigger like some kind of Facebook game. Those people aren't contributing anything, they're more like destructible terrain than real players.

The only content you can get out of them is blowing them up. So it shouldn't be surprising that the people who don't believe that anyone should be immune don't do anything with these people except blow them up.



Why does it have to be *not* this way? I mean, the "in game response" you're talking about is pretty much on them to actually do it.

We get away with things because the "victims" won't get off their butts to stop us. Yet they mistake the consequences of their own inaction with a game imbalance, which is why they keep crying to get us nerfed. Whether that's purposeful or out of ignorance is another matter entirely.

But the end goal? There can be no question that the end goal is no non consensual PvP in highsec. They truly believe that unwillingness to defend themselves should merit total safety.

Remember when Gevlon gave up on his Grr project because he was just wasting money & not really achieving anything? Some of you may recall a post about how he was going to give that money to CODE each month. All of a sudden GSF people started ganking with CODE every day.

Thanks for the free stuff Gevlon.

no. he's still wasting money and not achieving anything

That's not a project, that is literally giving someone free stuff. The real winners here are Goonswarm & Tora Bushido.

eh. he considers it part of his grr project, because otherwise the project would've failed, and nothing gevlon does fails

goonswarm are not the winners, he said so himself. you should read his blog more, so you learn things

i can't fault you for that. how's this mirror thing done?

True. But those tools are better at doing some things than others, and the same tools don't have the same appeal to everyone. E.g. booster alts - we all can get one but it doesn't mean the mechanics around that are good.



I agree those are bad, but there are way more possibilities - it's hardly the best it could be right now, that's for sure. Just to describe one idea (note: I'm not saying this is at all the best way or even good, just giving an example, there are probably many more ideas that are far better):
- CONCORD reps instead of shoots (players need to do the shooting)
- Players can make distress calls, players can listen for distress calls (note: this would mean increasing the time it takes for ships to die in HS, hence concord reps)

Basically:
- ice breakers in-game for HS players to form up together (e.g. distress calls) since many share the same goal but are not organized
- Encourage a variety of gank fits (you won't necessarily lose your ship either)
- This would make it harder to say kill a tanked ship in crowded areas like Jita (which makes sense), but possible to say still alpha a frig in your nado and get away while you're at it

The other major area in HS is war decs (I think we can all agree that they aren't nearly as engaging as they could be). Again, many ways to make this better to encourage actual HS wars instead of station games. Won't go into here though since that's not what this thread is about.


It's true in that you won't find much engaging PvP in HS *right now*, so you should probably go to low/null if you're looking for a good fight. But yeah, if we're talking about how to make EVE better, then IMO that's the wrong attitude.


I don't know if this is true or not. For all we know, many who would be attracted by the concept of HS PvP just stop playing the game, so only the true carebears (and HS indy alts) are left. I find it hard to believe that even those in HS wouldn't have the motivation for PvP given enough provocation.


That, and the game doesn't do much to make it appealing. Revenge is hard to come by in a lot of aspects of EVE, but I think this is too much the case (this is most true in HS, which seems wrong). The desire for revenge has the potential to create great cycles of game content, but in EVE it's common to shoot once and have the buck stop there. E.g. things like kill rights and bounties seem great in concept, but in practice they're not very effective.