EVE General Discussion

Again confirming new players fly freighters and jump freighters.

We already told you why what you just said is wrong. Many times.

We need *1* more poster to make it appropriately "315".

With reference to Concord activity, there's a huge discrepancy between the numbers reported by Zkill and eve-kill for the number of Concord kills. It's also quite common for suicide gankers to undock in newb ships while under GCC to draw Concord away from the belts/gates which would account for a percentage of Concord kills that are not directly related to a suicide gank, but rather the aftermath.

Which wardec data would that be? Because the poster I referenced didn't bother to actually check to see if any of the kills they presented as data actually involved Concord or not. If you actually have the wardec numbers please share so that we can get a better overall picture of just how many kills are down to suicide ganking, wardecs, and people being dumb.

Fair comment, that's a rather pathetic argument for pretty much anything.

Which kind of invalidates your claims for 2011 and 2012

Why should it remain constant? Judging by all the screaming going on wardecs are on the increase, and have been for some time.... Dirty griefers

They do use cheaper ships now, and more of them. From what I can gather you used to get an insurance payout on your ship when it was Concorded, it was common to see battleships used in suicide ganks. Now that there is no insurance payout the gankers have gravitated to smaller and cheaper ships, the downside being that they need more of them to bring the same amount of firepower to the party. Which means that the amount of ships that get killed by Concord has increased, what it doesn't mean is that the rate of suicide ganking has increased.

Nerf wise you've got crimewatch 2.0, the buffs to barges, exhumers, T1 industrials and freighters, all of which have occurred in the last 2 years, and all of which have made suicide ganking a little more challenging, and expensive.

It could be made more challenging and expensive still, if only people would fit their ships properly and not do anything stupid, like autopiloting through Niarja or Uedama.

We moved from using one or two high alpha battleships to lots of high DPS small ships. The killboards also did not track concord kills unless they were posted by the ganker, which was rare, that is where the "zomg concord are killing more ships that must mean more people are being ganked!

This is wrong, we went from 5 gankers to 20-30 per kill. It would also require you to ignore the fact that CCP themselves have shown that barge ganking has never been lower and that there are near no ganking kills showing up to constitute out of control ganking.

Ganking today is nothing like in the past, not even close.

Time for a demonstration of how things used to be?

*batphones Helicity Boson

Glorious, wish I had found the game much earlier.

How is number of freighters jumping through a system compared to the amount of ganks taking place in that system not a valid metric? How else would you define "active"?

CSM minutes Dec 2012 page 104
"For reasons that are left as an exercise to the reader, Exhumers are now blowing up at historically low
rates."

We've heard nothing contrary since so it is assumed that the above is still true, even James and his band of rambunctious rapscallions are unlikely to have made a dent in the amount of barges and exhumers in use every day.

How is the number irrelevant? Freighters and haulers make thousands, if not tens of thousands, of trips every day, as for your latter question you'd need to get hold of a stats wonk at CCP, they're the only people with that data.