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EVE has a problem with its reputation. What can or should be done?

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BrundleMeth
State War Academy
Caldari State
#61 - 2014-07-14 23:28:49 UTC
Me personally I simply hate all the scamming. And no I never fell for a scam. But it is simply a waste of space IMO...

I think that many people are short sighted too. When someone quits all the clowns say is "Good riddance, we don't need his type anyway". I don't think thats a fair assement...
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#62 - 2014-07-14 23:29:56 UTC
Scipio Artelius wrote:
Titania Hrothgar wrote:
Oh, I must be one of these people? I'm going to hide my head in the sands because I brought up one of the most common complaints of the people the OP posted about? You're very presumptuous, aren't you?

However, people get pissed off because their level of anger is inversely proportional to their acceptance of responsibility.

No scammer and no scam ever, forced anyone to lose their money.

When people who fall for scams get angry it's because they want to blame someone else, rather than accept that it was their own fault, 100%.

As soon as there is a change in perspective, there is a change in the level of anger and an opportunity to learn from the situation and figure out how to not fall for the same thing again. Those are lessons that sometimes carry over into RL too, in terms of the general principles of dealing with difficult situations.

There is so much about this game that adds to it's depth and to the challenge it throws up.

Scams are very much a part of that.


Well said. That's another thing about EVE that games generally don't have: it requires a sense of responsibility, other games tend to shield you from amny choices and mistakes.

This, btw, is why I dislike the whole "safety" thing. Sure, it kind makes sense that CCP doesn't want people unintentionally creating content (lol), but something of the game died the day EVE started letting people not make mistakes IMO.
Gallowmere Rorschach
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#63 - 2014-07-14 23:31:42 UTC
Okay, let's be 100% honest and straightforward for a moment. As a whole, on the gameplay level, this game is ******* terrible. It's slow, it's borderline mindnumbing, it's tedious, it's skill queue online, it's got one of the most wonky and ridiculous physics engines ever conceived (though that's been getting better), it's challenge level is borderline laughable once you get past the first couple of weeks so long as you aren't doing anything stupid like trying to do L4 missions in a Burst...I'll stop there, but you get my point.

The only thing that makes this game enjoyable for anyone with a fully functioning brain is the people who play it, and the **** they do and say to each other. How often do you find yourself docked up, talking to people for hours at a time, because suddenly chat was far more interesting than anything the actual game provides? If not that, how often do you find yourself borderline AFKing the most 'challenging' PvE content whilst completely immersed in a conversation in chat? Exactly.
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#64 - 2014-07-14 23:31:50 UTC
I hate aviator glasses

I dont wear them, but I think they are a waste of space

Get em binned cos more people will stop quitting once my petty demand is fulfilled

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Nathaniel Raynaud
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#65 - 2014-07-14 23:32:33 UTC
BrundleMeth wrote:
Me personally I simply hate all the scamming. And no I never fell for a scam. But it is simply a waste of space IMO...

I think that many people are short sighted too. When someone quits all the clowns say is "Good riddance, we don't need his type anyway". I don't think thats a fair assement...


on the other hand, scammers create great opportunities to insult people in local chat and are thus important members of the eve ecosystem (evecosystem)
Myxx
The Scope
#66 - 2014-07-14 23:33:55 UTC
Mallak Azaria wrote:
Myxx wrote:
Mallak Azaria wrote:
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
Eve deliberately excludes the stupid and the weak willied.
Its reputation is a reflection of that.
Your "ex" player quote is from infinity ziona...nuf said.

Grow up, eve is hard and we make it that way because we like it that way


Interestingly enough, Infinity Ziona was complaining about cyberbullying against him that wasn't happening (unless disagreeing with someone on the internet is cyberbullying, then I guess it was happening) around the same time that he decided to threaten people with pictures of himself, verbal abuse irl & his attack dogs.

Think about that for a minute OP.


I was wondering why that name was relevant. Did not know that. ohwell. in all honesty, it isn't a unique viewpoint I don't think.


It's not an uncommon occurence for someone who quits over some silly reason (in that particular case, he was being AFK cloaky camped by someone he had previously AFK cloaky camped) to 'add in a little extra', usually calling on the worst case scenarios in an attempt to bolster their inherently false & petty argument.

What this really comes down to is; Do you care what the sheeple think?

My personal opinion is that a bunch of stuff should change, for the game's long term health. What others think isn't really a concern to me, and I think about 80 percent of EVE's community would disagree with me over it.

The point is pretty clear from my OP, I think. If you agree or disagree is your own opinion.
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
#67 - 2014-07-14 23:34:22 UTC
I remember when the whole universe thought the Sith were a huge problem.

You know what happened?

The universe purged out all the Jedi.

Turns out the real problem the universe had.. was too many good guys.

Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?
Chewytowel Haklar
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#68 - 2014-07-14 23:34:59 UTC
Gallowmere Rorschach wrote:
Okay, let's be 100% honest and straightforward for a moment. As a whole, on the gameplay level, this game is ******* terrible. It's slow, it's borderline mindnumbing, it's tedious, it's skill queue online, it's got one of the most wonky and ridiculous physics engines ever conceived (though that's been getting better), it's challenge level is borderline laughable once you get past the first couple of weeks so long as you aren't doing anything stupid like trying to do L4 missions in a Burst...I'll stop there, but you get my point.

The only thing that makes this game enjoyable for anyone with a fully functioning brain is the people who play it, and the **** they do and say to each other. How often do you find yourself docked up, talking to people for hours at a time, because suddenly chat was far more interesting than anything the actual game provides? If not that, how often do you find yourself borderline AFKing the most 'challenging' PvE content whilst completely immersed in a conversation in chat? Exactly.


I know actually talking to people and treating them like human beings is wonderful.
Gully Alex Foyle
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#69 - 2014-07-14 23:35:11 UTC
BrundleMeth wrote:
Me personally I simply hate all the scamming. And no I never fell for a scam. But it is simply a waste of space IMO...

I think that many people are short sighted too. When someone quits all the clowns say is "Good riddance, we don't need his type anyway". I don't think thats a fair assement...
Depends.

I quit because:
'you guys are so mean'
'I can't play for free anymore because :PLEX:'
'gankers won't let me play by myself'
'some meanie scammed me'
etc....

--> goodbye!


I quit because:
'the game is too complicated'
'it's too demanding time-wise'
'I tried but couldn't find a good corp'
'I'm burnt out'

--> usually people will try to help, or at least say 'we'll keep a cyno lit for you if you change your mind'.

Make space glamorous! Is EVE dying or not? Ask the EVE-O Death-o-meter!
Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#70 - 2014-07-14 23:36:02 UTC
BrundleMeth wrote:
When someone quits all the clowns say is "Good riddance, we don't need his type anyway". I don't think thats a fair assement...


When someone quits because of 'reasons', I don't care. When someone quits because something bad happened to them & their only response is to blame everyone else & CCP, well we really don't need that type anyway.

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Sobaan Tali
Caldari Quick Reaction Force
#71 - 2014-07-14 23:36:21 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
Nathaniel Raynaud wrote:
also, from the persecutive of a player and not someone trying to make money off of this game, what exactly is the advantage of getting a lot of new players if most of them are going to be boring and low-quality


boring, low quality, unimaginitive, whiney, entitled to things without working for them and more.

Screw that, I like that EVE is a mosh pit of horrible creative people.


I'd rather ass-holes than idiots, too. At least the ass-holes know what the "f" they are doing. And Eve just seems to work better with people, ass-holes or not, who know what the "f" they are doing...who'd a thunk?

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"----in' A, right?"

"Trouble is, those things cost like a million and a half each."

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Slade Trillgon
Brutor Force Federated
#72 - 2014-07-14 23:39:21 UTC
LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:
Mallak Azaria wrote:
LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:
New plays should not be griefed or scammed or ganked in any way, and there should be an area in EVE where it should be COMPLETELY safe for people to play.


New people should have a completely safe area to play while they learn, but if you make that available for just anyone then everywhere else is going to be very quiet.


And you've my point for me. If current gameplay mode is superior, then CCP has nothing to worry about. But if even a goon admits that this new safe mode proposed will be more attractive to EVERYONE, well, thats an answer in itself.


First off, EvE is a sharded single server game. It can not handle the 'masses'.

Secondly, if you need to have your hand held and want to be protected everywhere this is not the game for you, good that people find this out before they waste any time figuring it out.

P.S. I am a carebear...with teeth grrrrrrr Bear
Chewytowel Haklar
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#73 - 2014-07-14 23:41:59 UTC

If the Goons invite you to join their club and then they AWOX you, yeah that is a valid excuse to leave as well. Or perhaps a valid reason to never even bother playing at all.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#74 - 2014-07-14 23:43:39 UTC
Chewytowel Haklar wrote:

If the Goons invite you to join their club and then they AWOX you, yeah that is a valid excuse to leave as well. Or perhaps a valid reason to never even bother playing at all.


If you're actually too stupid to read the page of their wiki that straight up says that they will scam you, then you wouldn't have kept playing EVE for long anyway.

Oh, and can I have your stuff?

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

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Gully Alex Foyle
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#75 - 2014-07-14 23:47:27 UTC
Chewytowel Haklar wrote:

If the Goons invite you to join their club and then they AWOX you, yeah that is a valid excuse to leave as well. Or perhaps a valid reason to never even bother playing at all.
I'm pretty sure GoonWaffe cares alot about their true new players. You simply cannot manage such a large community if everybody is just an a-hole to everybody else.

OTOH, if you get scammed because you didn't bother to read the 'how to not get scammed' instructions on their website, ... What?

Make space glamorous! Is EVE dying or not? Ask the EVE-O Death-o-meter!
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#76 - 2014-07-14 23:48:01 UTC
Ramona McCandless wrote:
EvE's reputation is one of its biggest, if not the biggest, selling point


This. Before I played EVE, I'd stumbled across comments similar to those in the OP, and they made me want to try it more. My thoughts were, "looks like some lame ducks went and got themselves a bit butthurt, this game sounds like quite the challenge."

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Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#77 - 2014-07-14 23:48:49 UTC
Chewytowel Haklar wrote:

If the Goons invite you to join their club and then they AWOX you, yeah that is a valid excuse to leave as well. Or perhaps a valid reason to never even bother playing at all.


If anything anyone does to you in a video game can make you stop playing a video game you like, you problem is way bigger than Goons or griefing.
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#78 - 2014-07-14 23:51:24 UTC
Sobaan Tali wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
Nathaniel Raynaud wrote:
also, from the persecutive of a player and not someone trying to make money off of this game, what exactly is the advantage of getting a lot of new players if most of them are going to be boring and low-quality


boring, low quality, unimaginitive, whiney, entitled to things without working for them and more.

Screw that, I like that EVE is a mosh pit of horrible creative people.


I'd rather ass-holes than idiots, too. At least the ass-holes know what the "f" they are doing. And Eve just seems to work better with people, ass-holes or not, who know what the "f" they are doing...who'd a thunk?



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Christina Project
Screaming Head in a Box.
#79 - 2014-07-14 23:52:03 UTC
The problem isn't EVEs reputation,
it's the stupidity, decadence, lazyness and lack of self responsibility most people have nowadays.

That's the problem!

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Malcolm Shinhwa
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#80 - 2014-07-14 23:52:16 UTC
Paranoid Loyd wrote:
Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:
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