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Has suicide ganking become a problem? Empty freighters being ganked.

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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#1921 - 2014-07-14 20:35:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
Organic Lager wrote:
I agree with you and based on the numbers, ganking once again seems to be in a good place, no changes required. 2 reasons I'm still talking

#1 jonah still doesn't seem to get it

#2 we only have 4 pages to go!
Oh I get it fine, you're being pedantic over some flaws in the data which had an effect on my conclusions.

Flaws which I've openly admitted anyway.

Grow up.

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Gully Alex Foyle
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#1922 - 2014-07-14 20:42:16 UTC
Organic Lager wrote:
Gully Alex Foyle wrote:
@Organic

I understand it's more fun to nitpick, but I already gave you a very reasonable estimate that confirms Jonah's guess (3 ganks out of around 500-600 freighters) and also happens to fit very well with freighter costs, Red Frog hauling rates and profitability based on gank-avoiding pilot skill.

Why are you still discussing this? Exact data is not necessary: gank probability for a freighter is less than 1% based on easily available figures / observable data.

That's an average, so if you're bad, you'll get ganked more. If you're good, probability is close to zero.


I agree with you and based on the numbers, ganking once again seems to be in a good place, no changes required. 2 reasons I'm still talking

#1 jonah still doesn't seem to get it

#2 we only have 4 pages to go!
In that case, I think it's time to post the best popcorn gif ever.

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Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#1923 - 2014-07-14 20:43:07 UTC
I'd like to confirm that one of those freighters that made it safely through Uedama today belonged to me. I typically try to make trips in that time zone, that way the Americans are still at work and the EU guys are likely asleep.

I do have the benefit of having watchlisted the major CODE guys on that character since I know who they all are.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

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John E Normus
New Order Logistics
CODE.
#1924 - 2014-07-14 21:01:40 UTC
Congrats to everyone who's taken part in this thread. You actually made the Kills of the Week blog post on minerbumping.

op success!

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Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#1925 - 2014-07-14 21:09:17 UTC
John E Normus wrote:
Congrats to everyone who's taken part in this thread. You actually made the Kills of the Week blog post on minerbumping.

op success!


The guy threatening a lawsuit is particularly hilarious. I wonder if he's a paralegal bar bouncer too?

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

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Christina Project
Screaming Head in a Box.
#1926 - 2014-07-14 21:11:29 UTC
Omg almost 100 pages! :O

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Benny Ohu
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#1927 - 2014-07-14 21:17:06 UTC
John E Normus wrote:
Congrats to everyone who's taken part in this thread. You actually made the Kills of the Week blog post on minerbumping.

op success!

the minerbumping.com?
Ahost Gceo
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#1928 - 2014-07-14 21:40:21 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
John E Normus wrote:
Congrats to everyone who's taken part in this thread. You actually made the Kills of the Week blog post on minerbumping.

op success!


The guy threatening a lawsuit is particularly hilarious. I wonder if he's a paralegal bar bouncer too?

Read paraplegic bar bouncer. Need glasses check.

CCP ignore me please, I make too much sense.
Christopher Mabata
Northern Accounts and Systems
#1929 - 2014-07-14 23:13:52 UTC
Noragli wrote:
When you let one group of players mercilessly grief another set, you lose players.

It's obvious to anyone who looks at it with a clear mind. If players are not enjoying the game, they quit.

You have this certain group of players who spend all their days in empire space just suicide ganking other players because it's the only thing that gives them pleasure in the game any more. Many of the victims never saw it coming or even imagined it could happen, then suddenly their ship is dead and pod is killed by a group of up to 25 players in cheap destroyers. This "style" of playing the game no doubt costs EVE many subscriptions.

It shouldn't be possible to board a ship in a system where your security status is below the acceptable limit for that system. -10? You can't board a ship in high security space, or you can but concord will be on you instantly, same as when you enter space in a ship after committing a concord sanctionable offense. Simple and obvious fix to a serious problem.

Then just keep an eye on the price of the security status repair npc drops, if it's still too cheap to get back to 0.0 security status then reduce drop rate.


CONCORD is retribution not protection, CCP has said that themselves. If your -10 the faction police are actively hunting you down when you enter high sec, as well as being a legal target to everyone in system. That alone makes chain ganking at -10 challenging, if you read the CODE posts on their blog they frequently mention on agent dies another steps up an finished the job.

There is no logical reason CONCORD would stop you boarding a ship in high sec at -10, they already have listed you as As E.C.H.O. ( Engage Criminal, Hostile, or Outlaw ) and as such you are undocking to quite a bit of risk. Now that risk may be a 10m destroyer or it could be a stupid mistake of undocking your nado and warping to an instant undock and getting caught by FACPOL.

Gankers also have dozens if not hundreds of Active killrights on them, some are up for 0 isk so even if they pay to fix sec status they can still be freely engaged.

Simple solution either dont undock something with marginal ISK loss involved or buy a permit and commit to the CODE
( Most of the ganks you listed are us )

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#1930 - 2014-07-14 23:21:58 UTC
Noragli wrote:
When you let one group of players mercilessly grief another set, you lose players.


So where did all of EvE's players come from in the first place?

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Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#1931 - 2014-07-14 23:36:44 UTC
Ramona McCandless wrote:
Noragli wrote:
When you let one group of players mercilessly grief another set, you lose players.


So where did all of EvE's players come from in the first place?


Aliens.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Gilly Vertrag
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#1932 - 2014-07-14 23:50:17 UTC
Echoing some other folks, I feel that the tools are available to freighter pilots to not only survive, but thrive in this environment. How boring would our space lives be if entities were not arrayed against us to bring interesting play?

That said, if people feel that the burden of two minutes' planning is too great to bear, and the risk unpalatable, Red Frog is standing by to safely transport your goods for you. Big smile

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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#1933 - 2014-07-14 23:57:46 UTC
^^ nice plug Big smile

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Hasikan Miallok
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#1934 - 2014-07-15 00:05:24 UTC
Gilly Vertrag wrote:
Echoing some other folks, I feel that the tools are available to freighter pilots to not only survive, but thrive in this environment. How boring would our space lives be if entities were not arrayed against us to bring interesting play?

That said, if people feel that the burden of two minutes' planning is too great to bear, and the risk unpalatable, Red Frog is standing by to safely transport your goods for you. Big smile

http://red-frog.org/jumps.php


I used Red Frog yesterday to transfer half a bill worth of PI and it was moved something like 9 jumps for 7.5 mill ISK and was delivered in well under 24 hours. Recommended.

Also very cheap. It would take an awful lot of shipments by Red Frog before it would be even close to economical to buy my own freighter.




ALSO --> Red Frog shipment stats for yesterday from their home page:
last day: 607 issued, 687 accepted, 793 completed
ISD Dorrim Barstorlode
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#1935 - 2014-07-15 04:19:17 UTC
Removed an inappropriate comment.

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Charles Ofdensen
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#1936 - 2014-07-15 04:22:53 UTC
Nice of CCP staff to pop in and derail in CODE's favor.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#1937 - 2014-07-15 04:25:37 UTC
Charles Ofdensen wrote:
Nice of CCP staff to pop in and derail in CODE's favor.


Suicide ganking is intended gameplay, after all. I would hardly call it a derailment.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Charles Ofdensen
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#1938 - 2014-07-15 04:29:12 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Charles Ofdensen wrote:
Nice of CCP staff to pop in and derail in CODE's favor.


Suicide ganking is intended gameplay, after all. I would hardly call it a derailment.


Everyone knows CCP is biased in favor of the entities that suicide gank in highsec. CCP actually financially benefits from it, so they do everything they can to ensure the status quo in highsec endures.

Whether or not this is good for the game is another question entirely!
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#1939 - 2014-07-15 04:34:35 UTC
Charles Ofdensen wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Charles Ofdensen wrote:
Nice of CCP staff to pop in and derail in CODE's favor.


Suicide ganking is intended gameplay, after all. I would hardly call it a derailment.


Everyone knows CCP is biased in favor of the entities that suicide gank in highsec. CCP actually financially benefits from it, so they do everything they can to ensure the status quo in highsec endures.

Whether or not this is good for the game is another question entirely!


Of course it's good for the game, that isn't even in question. It might not be good for *your* game, but it's vital to the game as a whole.

EVE has an economy that requires destruction of assets in order to fuel demand. And given CCP's most recently released numbers for "Production vs Destruction", it's something that needs to happen.

When you see a suicide ganker in local, you should thank them for the valuable service they provide.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Professor Solus
The Chicago School
#1940 - 2014-07-15 04:38:15 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:

Of course it's good for the game, that isn't even in question. It might not be good for *your* game, but it's vital to the game as a whole.

EVE has an economy that requires destruction of assets in order to fuel demand. And given CCP's most recently released numbers for "Production vs Destruction", it's something that needs to happen.

When you see a suicide ganker in local, you should thank them for the valuable service they provide.


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