EVE General Discussion

3 freighters passing through a chokepoint in a 24 hour period would indicate that something is very very wrong with the economy, which there is not, ergo my traffic scenario is a lot more likely than yours

Nowhere did I assume or state that those 35k jumps were all hauler jumps. If I had assumed that all of the jumps were haulers then the following would be superfluous


The fact is that I took great pains to point out that I had only covered the losses to freighter and hauler traffic which implies, pretty strongly, that there were other sorts of traffic

Reading comprehension, you should train it to at least level 1.

Please point to the bit where he said that.

Forum trolling aside, it's never pointless to try to make acceptable guesstimates on interesting topics.

I have to say your numbers are once again wrong.

Red Frog charges roughly 12 Million for a Jita-Dodi haul. So it takes 100 trips to break even on a freighter.

Assuming Uedama is (almost) the only really dangerous system on the route, you could on average double your freighter investment before you pop. But you're right, you'd just break even, including a 1Bil collateral.

So, this proves that if you're just an average freighter pilot, you'll barely break even.

If you pilot well, you make money, if you pilot badly, you lose money.

This is so working as intended it's unreal.

His very last calculation, can't crop on my phone sorry.

Something along the lines of

"Total number of suicide ganks vs total jumps 7/35k = .002%" seeing as how he only used the suicide ganked haulers (7) in his calculation and that it is the topic for discussion i assumed that he was only referring to that. The total number of suicide ganks would be far greater then 7, all those pods don't die without paying the concord.

But you decided to leave total jumps for all ships, had you reduced that down to just haulers (excluding pods, random miners or anyone else just generally passing through) then your numbers would be credible.

I do thank you for clearing this up and proving my point that your numbers are utter trash.

Also did you take the hourly number of kills and the 24 hour number of jumps? Currently for the last 24 hours it's at 1500 kills + another 80 pods and 30k jumps. Unless i'm miss understanding something which is possible, going to double check on this now.

That was the 24 hour number of kills, the kills in the last hour stood at 2 when I took the figures. Now look into the 1500 kills + the 80 pods, then tell us how many where freighters or industrial ships, here's a hint it's not a huge amount.[/quote]

Well then I guess we can both agree don't travel to Uedama on a monday, eh?

You just made me facepalm so hard i nearly broke my nose.

There is no way to tell, that was exactly what I said in my first post. Your numbers are worthless because you don't know how many jumps were related to freighters, meaning you don't really know if the % killed is high or low.

I used 3 as an example of the other extreme, both are quite clearly and obviously wrong, the only difference is I actually knew mine was incorrect and only present it as an example. You seem to still believe that yours has some relevance, of what I'm not sure.

If you want to battle stupid points, 3 is actually going to be closer to the true number of freighter jumps then 35k, unless you honestly believe over 50% of the traffic through Uedama is freighters.

Yes my data is flawed, I've openly admitted it and said as much in the original post. That doesn't make it worthless, merely flawed which it shall remain until somebody can come up with a way of measuring how many of those jumps were actually related to freighters and other haulers.

The relevance is in that it compares the total amount of kills as well as the total amount of freighter and hauler kills to the total amount of traffic.

Yet it is far more likely that the amount of traffic through Uedama that was freighters and other haulers, during that 24 hour period, was in the region of several hundred, not three.

It's a choke point between trade hubs, there is going to be an enormous amount of freighter traffic through there, just as there is Niarja.

I agree with you and based on the numbers, ganking once again seems to be in a good place, no changes required. 2 reasons I'm still talking

#1 jonah still doesn't seem to get it

#2 we only have 4 pages to go!