EVE General Discussion

You are correct. Although the main focus of my reply was that suicide ganking is not without risk and is not a free activity.

A "solution" that has been posted many times; "Don't be where the gankers are" lets discuss this a bit

Obviously most of the freighter traffic can be tracked going from one trade hub to another.

As it happens, route options in such cases are fairly limited unless you gamble with lowsec short cutting bottlenecks.

Amarr <-> Jita, go through Niarja where the gankers live. Optional route takes you 47 jumps and through Uedama and Deltole pipe, both known for being hot spots. Ganker home evasion failed.

Jita <-> Rens, long way through Niarja or short way through Uedama and Deltole pipe. Evasion failed.

Dodixie <-> Jita, again, take your chances with Uedama or long route via Deltole pipe and Niarja

Amarr <-> Rens, you are in luck. Nobody lives in the green region - yet.

As we all now see and know, gankers live in unavoidable bottlenecks, thus being unavoidable.


Luckily, some of them are humans and need to sleep.

Obviously I've come to this thread late but surely griefing is hardly game breaking? As a tool for teaching the naïve that the game needs thought to avoid getting picked on it's invaluable. As a means to teach pvp tactics of avoiding retribution and maximising the alpha strike it's useful if you can fund the inevitable cost and sec status hit.

If people want to do it and others have the desire to be cannon fodder then I really couldn't care less.

Two of my absolute favorite points came right there which I'm going to address:
1) Use a JF
Circumvent the problem by exposing more expensive equipment? I see Marmites being very effective at disposing the JF's using the first technique.

2) Use a Blockade Runner
Blockade runners are nice, though they tend to take a while to train.
Beign so, is an individual supposed to 'suspend', for lack of better word, hauling activities until they can use 1) Blockade Runner 2) Jump Freighter? Then what about transporting small volume, high value items, is an individual supposed to suspend that as well until they can fly a Viator or brick tanked covert Tech 3? If similar chain of thought is continued far enough one might find very little reason to even actually undock. (read: can't do **** before you have this that and those, 50M skillpoints 5 alts and a fedo)


Another interesting point jumped to me from your comment, that is an interesting dilemma when you think of it. You call to splitting the load to avoid being ganked. What I like to consider is "exposure" to heightened risk to ganks, basically time spent in 0.6-0.5 systems. This consideration becomes increasingly valid when empty freighters are ganked as well as full ones. For example: If your total haul is 1 Billion worth going from hub to hub, you choose to play it safe and go with 250 Million per load in a brick tanked freighter. Considering trips back and forth you expose yourself 4 times to being ganked in empty freighter and 4 times in partially filled, instead of doing it all in single back and forth run.
(Of course you can go full ****** and jam 20 Billion in a freighter, in which point you will be ganked in 1.0 if the other side so pleases but lets not go there.)

And lastly, alts, more alts for more alts. They always solve everything, right? I believe I discussed this earlier in this threadnought.

You forgot the other option, offload the risk and use a 3rd party. I only haul locally, anything going to a hub goes via RF or PushX, which gives me more time to do the stuff I enjoy, opportunity cost and all that.

Set the collateral accordingly and it won't matter if the hauler dies, you still get paid.

I have noticed an increase in ganking as well. Maybe Goonswarm set a standard with the last Burn Jita? Who knows. I have been hauling around stuff and it seems every trip I've been scanned at least once, like it's protocol to scan me or something. Previously, before Burn Jita, the scan was more random. Most days I'd go by without a single person locking me, the next I'd get a scan. That was about it, no pattern, nada.

Anyways, in my region of space I particularly do not really care in general, but I do feel that if ganking goes unchecked this alone would cause a loss of subs. It's High Sec...ganking should be made extremely difficult for those that have a -10 standing. Actually my thought was until a -10 to where entering HS at all in anything but a pod results in being killed by CONCORD. Anyhow, any negative standing up until -10 would increase difficulty on traveling through HS. Such as, perhaps, certain stations have a certain minimum standing requirement to be allowed to dock up at except for Jita to be fair.

You've noticed an increase in the actual numbers, or the number of people talking about it? I would guess at the latter, the media coverage has certainly increased; as for the numbers, if they have increased the odds of it happening to you are still infinitesimally small unless you do something silly.

Alternatively it could be that people are stuffing their haulers full of enough stuff to make it worthwhile scanning everything.

-10's are already chased by the Faction Navy unless in a pod, anybody can shoot at them without reprisal. [/quote]If people want it to be more difficult for -10's in highsec then they should make it more difficult themselves, not whine on the forums and expect CCP to do it for them. That is the whole point of the sandbox.

You do realise that it's not just gankers that have poor sec status right? That would negatively affect everybody with poor sec status, not just suicide gankers.

edit ~ quote derp

Every time? The numbers* say otherwise

Uedama, a known chokepoint. Figures used are from 16:15 Eve time.

3 freighter kills (all by CODE. so suicide ganks)
7 Industrial kills inc Orcas (3x Marmite Collective, so wardec kills, leaving 4 probably down to suicide ganks)

System traffic 34,752 jumps, total kills in system 102

• chance of exploding in Uedama 0.29% : (102/34752)*100
• hauler kills as a percentage of total kills 9.8% : (10/102)*100
• suicide ganks as a percentage of hauler kills 70% (7/10)*100
• suicide ganks on haulers and freighters as a percentage of total kills 6.86% (7/102)*100
• suicide ganks on haulers and freighters as a percentage of total jumps 0.02% (7/34752)*100

You already have this, it's called friends in EW ships, as for the effectiveness, I'd say you were better off with a webbing corpmate in a web bonused frigate.

*Unfortunately there's no way to determine what number of jumps are down to freighters and industrials passing through the system, the data simply isn't available AFAIK. It was almost certainly substantially more than the total of 10 that died.

edit ~ added "on haulers and freighters" to satisfy the pedants.

Good catch, I missed that. You still get the opportunity to gank people both entering and leaving the system though.

And I'm sure you would agree that Concord would also destroy all Blood Raider, Angel, Sansha, Gurista, and Serpentis ships that exist within Highsec too, since they are pirates by default.