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Has suicide ganking become a problem? Empty freighters being ganked.

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Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#1781 - 2014-07-11 18:42:19 UTC
If only they could fit a Target Lock Breaker.

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baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#1782 - 2014-07-11 18:49:42 UTC
Kagura Nikon wrote:


Good try. But knowing where you do the ganking, in systems (specially some of the most lucrative), where the missioners will nto be tanking against Thermal.. you are facing 50K EHP on most marauders.


I jsut wish battleships would have a tad more EHP so that would not be a problem.


Why are you not fitting an omni tank on it? Its not like it needs a lot of slots for its tank.
BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#1783 - 2014-07-11 19:24:15 UTC
Kagura Nikon wrote:
Good try. But knowing where you do the ganking, in systems (specially some of the most lucrative), where the missioners will nto be tanking against Thermal.. you are facing 50K EHP on most marauders.


I jsut wish battleships would have a tad more EHP so that would not be a problem.

Wait, wait, wait. You are buffer tanking murarders? I've seen a golem tank the damage from 30 meta catalysts (12,000 dps, the equivalent of multiple dreads) and survive. To alpha gank that same ship would cost over 600m in tornados. Also, I don't see why mission runners should be special and not have to tank against multiple damage types. If they want to fit specialized tanks against certain missions, they should realize that that will make them more vulnerable to other players attacking them. Those players willfully weaken their ship against ganking, and then complain when their ship pops. There is no level 4 mission in the game that can't be completed solo with an omni-tank in a bs.

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Mrs Epeen
Doomheim
#1784 - 2014-07-11 19:44:31 UTC
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Sunshine and Lollipops
#1785 - 2014-07-11 19:49:25 UTC
Kagura Nikon wrote:
Good try. But knowing where you do the ganking, in systems (specially some of the most lucrative), where the missioners will nto be tanking against Thermal.. you are facing 50K EHP on most marauders.

I jsut wish battleships would have a tad more EHP so that would not be a problem.
They already do. Problem solved.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#1786 - 2014-07-11 21:27:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Kaarous Aldurald
Kagura Nikon wrote:


Good try. But knowing where you do the ganking, in systems (specially some of the most lucrative), where the missioners will nto be tanking against Thermal.. you are facing 50K EHP on most marauders.


I jsut wish battleships would have a tad more EHP so that would not be a problem.


That is ridiculous. Marauders are the next best thing to a capital ship, and their tank is heavily invested in active tanking (which they can do like few other ships in the game), so their EHP does not tell the whole story. Even though it's quite often higher than the (entirely spurious) number you just quoted.

To everyone else, why do carebears always lie? It's almost like they don't actually have a real point to make, but since they need to further their dishonest agenda anyway they just make up lies and hope we swallow them.

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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#1787 - 2014-07-11 21:32:00 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Kagura Nikon wrote:

Good try. But knowing where you do the ganking, in systems (specially some of the most lucrative), where the missioners will nto be tanking against Thermal.. you are facing 50K EHP on most marauders.


I jsut wish battleships would have a tad more EHP so that would not be a problem.

That is ridiculous. Marauders are the next best thing to a capital ship, and their tank is heavily invested in active tanking (which they can do like few other ships in the game), so their EHP does not tell the whole story. Even though it's quite often higher than the (entirely spurious) number you just quoted.

To everyone else, why do carebears always lie? It's almost like they don't actually have a real point to make, but since they need to further their dishonest agenda anyway they just make up lies and hope we swallow them.

In nullsec (blue donut) and highsec (CONCORD), swallowing is fairly common I guess.

Same in general discussion

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Paranoid Loyd
#1788 - 2014-07-11 21:38:29 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
To everyone else, why do carebears always lie?


I would say it is mostly ignorance and hearsay they spew, I guess that could be seen as lying but I don't see it that way.

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#1789 - 2014-07-11 22:26:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
Paranoid Loyd wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
To everyone else, why do carebears always lie?


I would say it is mostly ignorance and hearsay they spew, I guess that could be seen as lying but I don't see it that way.

Educating them is all we can do, be it the hard way or the easy way, the choice is entirely theirs. Twisted
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Mrs Epeen
Doomheim
#1790 - 2014-07-11 22:41:45 UTC
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
There's ignorance, and then there's willful ignorance, which is what some people appear to be afflicted with.
So let me get this straight.

You're saying that people that live in HS are more ignorant and dishonest than those in LS and/or NS?
Paranoid Loyd
#1791 - 2014-07-11 22:43:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Paranoid Loyd
Mrs Epeen wrote:
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
There's ignorance, and then there's willful ignorance, which is what some people appear to be afflicted with.
So let me get this straight.

You're saying that people that live in HS are more ignorant and dishonest than those in LS and/or NS?


No one said that. If you're trying to be funny, you're not.

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Mrs Epeen
Doomheim
#1792 - 2014-07-11 22:50:00 UTC
Paranoid Loyd wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
To everyone else, why do carebears always lie?

I would say it is mostly ignorance and hearsay they spew, I guess that could be seen as lying but I don't see it that way.

Educating them is all we can do, be it the hard way or the easy way, the choice is entirely theirs. Twisted
Who's trying to be funny?
Paranoid Loyd
#1793 - 2014-07-11 22:59:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Paranoid Loyd
Mrs Epeen wrote:
"Russia is a gas station masquerading as a country."

You

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Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#1794 - 2014-07-11 23:06:30 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Kagura Nikon wrote:


Good try. But knowing where you do the ganking, in systems (specially some of the most lucrative), where the missioners will nto be tanking against Thermal.. you are facing 50K EHP on most marauders.


I jsut wish battleships would have a tad more EHP so that would not be a problem.


That is ridiculous. Marauders are the next best thing to a capital ship, and their tank is heavily invested in active tanking (which they can do like few other ships in the game), so their EHP does not tell the whole story. Even though it's quite often higher than the (entirely spurious) number you just quoted.

To everyone else, why do carebears always lie? It's almost like they don't actually have a real point to make, but since they need to further their dishonest agenda anyway they just make up lies and hope we swallow them.
Depends on fits where the EHP winds up. Going by in game a number of fits will show at or under 50k depending upon if a DCU is used and how many slots are used in tank. 50k is an unsurprising number for a 3 slot tank with no DCU.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#1795 - 2014-07-11 23:12:44 UTC
Tyberius Franklin wrote:
50k is an unsurprising number for a 3 slot tank with no DCU.


I cut to the most important part. If you choose to sacrifice a DCU for more deeps, then you get what you get.

Personally, if I am going to fly in something that costs a few months of game time, I am going to fit a DCU. Especially given how many of these people claim that they've been ruined if they lose their blingship? Why on earth do they not fit a proper tank?

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Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#1796 - 2014-07-11 23:16:02 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Tyberius Franklin wrote:
50k is an unsurprising number for a 3 slot tank with no DCU.


I cut to the most important part. If you choose to sacrifice a DCU for more deeps, then you get what you get.

Personally, if I am going to fly in something that costs a few months of game time, I am going to fit a DCU. Especially given how many of these people claim that they've been ruined if they lose their blingship? Why on earth do they not fit a proper tank?
Don't fly it as a blingship and you can have both, unless you find someone ganking for fun, in which case DCU or no it doesn't matter.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#1797 - 2014-07-11 23:16:04 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Tyberius Franklin wrote:
50k is an unsurprising number for a 3 slot tank with no DCU.


I cut to the most important part. If you choose to sacrifice a DCU for more deeps, then you get what you get.

Personally, if I am going to fly in something that costs a few months of game time, I am going to fit a DCU. Especially given how many of these people claim that they've been ruined if they lose their blingship? Why on earth do they not fit a proper tank?


Whats more, you do not need a faction tank on these ships. Not a single level 4 mission requires more than a t2 tank.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#1798 - 2014-07-11 23:18:52 UTC
Tyberius Franklin wrote:
Don't fly it as a blingship and you can have both, unless you find someone ganking for fun, in which case DCU or no it doesn't matter.


I have seen golems tank 40 man gangs before now. You can run missions with a pvp setup in these things easily and in pvp they are downright deadly.
Iain Cariaba
#1799 - 2014-07-11 23:25:43 UTC
Mrs Epeen wrote:
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
There's ignorance, and then there's willful ignorance, which is what some people appear to be afflicted with.
So let me get this straight.

You're saying that people that live in HS are more ignorant and dishonest than those in LS and/or NS?

I'm pretty sure he's refering to those throughout EvE who are told 'hey, tank your ship or you'll get ganked,' and then come crying to forums on threads like this one when they refuse to tank their ship and end up getting ganked.
Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#1800 - 2014-07-11 23:25:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Tyberius Franklin
baltec1 wrote:
Tyberius Franklin wrote:
Don't fly it as a blingship and you can have both, unless you find someone ganking for fun, in which case DCU or no it doesn't matter.


I have seen golems tank 40 man gangs before now. You can run missions with a pvp setup in these things easily and in pvp they are downright deadly.
You can, though I'd question why if loss from ganking is that much of a concern to run in a PvP fit as you can risk much less for more effect at that point in a T2 RNI. Aside from being bait (or heavy NPC ewar) why would you chose the Golem?