EVE General Discussion

I guess you have to personally experience murder to know it's bad to allow that in society right? I don't know if CCP laughs at these ideas, wouldn't surprise me. It sounds like they know what they're doing though, you know, given the massive layoffs and all.

People pvping in a pvp game is now akin to murder... In other news, shooting infantry with anti tank weapons in planetside 2 is classed as a warcrime by the UN.

Do realize your suggestion nullifies your previous comment?

If you change the way it works based on the hull value how can you kill a BS in low/null with a frigate?

Solo, probably not, enough of them.. definitely.

Why should the hull price make any difference? I'd love to see an actual example of where the price of something reflects how costly it is to destroy.

The price of the, in this case disposable, tools you use to destroy something isn't the important bit. How you use them is.

Nowhere did I suggest this. There are many ways to balance it in common cases like freighters. Reducing the cost of freighter hulls is one way to go about it as someone pointed out earlier. If a ship costs significantly more than it costs to gank its hull in HS, I think that's bad for ganking balance. As I said, better tools could be made available to gankers as well so it's more than just the "many catalysts" options for the best efficiency.


Didn't say that =p


Sorry, I don't understand this comment. I only think the HS mechanics should be changed.

It's not, for the simple reason that cost is never an even remotely workable balancing factor. It has been tried. It has always failed and for laughably obvious reasons: cost as a mechanic is itself trivially overcome and therefore instantly fails to balance anything out. It could potentially be a product of balance, but it is simply impossible to have good balance around cost unless you completely remove all dynamics from the economy.

Trying to balance using cost leads to exactly two things: a “bigger is better” design which removes all choice and variety, and grinding so that people can get that one remaining valid choice. Neither of those even remotely resemble any kind of actual balance, be it in the equipment itself, in the gameplay, or in the meta of activities and choice.

There's absolutely no reason why highsec should be different in this regard. The concepts of balance are rather universal — what you're asking for is that highsec be imbalanced for some unfathomable reason.

Now, that would be good for the game.

After all of the whineing about high sec ganking in this thread i have decided to start ganking haulers.

Well, thanks for responding Tippia. Was wondering when you would join in :)

I think we just have to agree to disagree here. I don't accept that there's no way to balance the cost of ganking empty freighter hulls to be more reasonable. You're probably right there are issues with using ISK naively but I don't think it's as bad as you make it seem. I don't know the best way to do it because I don't have the data and I haven't thought about it, but that doesn't change my opinion that the current cost numbers don't seem right in the empty/bulkhead fit freighter case.

There's content & then there's us purging Tenal & renting it out.