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Fixed it for you.

Oh wait, we already have that. Nothing to do here for CCP.

Somewhere, very early in this thread, I detailed a valid mechanic & even showed a video of how to plow through any system with your slow freighter & prevent ganks, the very same mechanic that people have been using for years tio avoid freighter ganks. It is unsurprising to see that 50 pages onward people still haven't clued in.

Nice video.

Anyway, the thread was originally about empty freighters

So just to summarize.. Highsec carebears should be spending far more time and effort while they carry out some of the most mind-numbingly boring tasks in Eve such as spending 3 hours flying a freighter or staring at an ice field until they go insane? Every high sec mining op should include the same precautions as a low sec roam but without any of the actual fun bits?

On top of which any new players to the game should immediately familiarize themselves with the entire range of Eve mechanics, check here and all major ganking forums, and generally fly like a vet before they undock, or else they deserve to just be killed endlessly?

The reason Highsec used to be (fairly) safe was because the rewards in Highsec are generally low. If someone wants to sit and mine Veldspar until their eyes bleed, then let them get on with it. Just remove all L4's/useful anomalies from highsec, so if carebears want to make ISK in any kind of efficient manner they have to start moving out into low/null. Making Highsec actively dangerous is just stupid, it's going to scare off new people and grind the small industrial corps into the dirt.

Please stop trying to make Eve a game where everyone plays the same, it's really boring.

1. Flying manually obviously takes more time because they have to pay attention instead of randomly rickrolling people on the Hello Kitty Online forums. (Is rickrolling still a thing?).
2. Mining safely is like a roam because you'd have support ships and scouts and the ability to GTFO before things go too badly.
3. Not right now, but I can't speak for anyone else in the thread.
4. Paris, France or Paris, Texas? You need to be specific.
5. I burned it. Sorry.
6. In my pants.

1. Apparently it is, yes. Though its SOOO annoying, especially to us old crones who were around when Rick was actually popular that stupid song was on the radio ALL. THE. TIME.
2. Pff next you will be sayin a roam needs scouts, support or even an FC!
3. I thought it was a requirement around here
4. Plaster of Paris
5. Thats ok, carbon is good for the bones
6. Ah they are your endowment? Ok, well Ill need em to get back in my CQ soon.

Because you want to change how highsec has been for the last decade in a self entitled crusade to 'create content' and make other people play the way you want them to play, right? The law of unintended consequences is going to end up biting someone in the ass, the only thing to be seen is whether it's the gankers or CPP who take the damage.



The first couple of weeks playing is generally player vs game not player vs player. Winning is managing to overcome the already high bar to entry and getting to grips with the often unintuitive and unfriendly game mechanics. All that's happening now is that bar is being pushed higher and higher as highsec gets even more dangerous. Now what do you think might happen as a result?



The game always encouraged people to move out to low / null, that's why the rewards for doing so are so much higher. At the same time people have always been able to stay if they are willing to accept lower rewards and grind. I've just come back after a break and being an industrialist in high sec has become a lot harder in my absence. Freighters are much less safe, mining is a lot less safe. If you're a ganker that that's awesome news, you get to have lots more fun. If you're an industrialist that's really bad news, and you're going to have a lot less fun.



Highsec always did support a diverse array of playstyles. The current gank epidemic just reduces that diversity by making some professions increasingly boring to the point where people just can't be bothered any more. The sad thing is that if it drives away subs CCP will inevitably nerf ganking more, and that will really suck. It's just a shame that people can't do things in moderation instead of everyone jumping on whatever bandwagon happens to be rolling past at the moment.

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Where has he suggested anything of the kind? Oh, and over the last decade, highsec hasn't exactly been the same all along — it changes, just like every other part of the game. If it doesn't, it quickly becomes stale.

What gank epidemic?

If there was a gank epidemic going on, we'd see tons of mission-runner ganks in popular systems as opposed to maybe half a dozen or so a few years ago, right? Oh…. Yeah, no. Or maybe that's just a Caldari thi… ah, no.

If there was a gank epidemic going on, freighters would be dying by the bucket-load, especially in and around Jita or on the Perimeter gate and in the chokepoints. But no. Or maybe everyone has moved to using JFs so that's why… no, not that either.

But surely, industrials must be exploding all over the place? Not so much in highsec. Transports then? Lol no.

Barges, you say? Yes, some of them die, but it's not exactly a highsec problem and they're almost universally crapfit. Exhumers show a similar pattern.

The simple fact is: there is no gank epidemic. It's a myth. A lie. A complete non-issue that only exists because people are stupid and/or don't take precautions.

No, the problem is that none of this is actually happening but people lie through their teeth to make it seem like it does. All the precautions you scoff at work. They have worked for years and they work now. The reason we know they work is because they don't show up on the killboards in any volume and because ganking is ridiculously low as it becomes harder and harder to gank, requiring the gankers to pick easer and easier targets in order to actually by successful.

Personally I think it should be an executable offense, but hey ho.



No, a couple of people find the way around the obstacles and then a load of low skill plebs copy them.



Please go and check zkillboard as suggested above, and then come back and admit that suicide ganking has absolutely exploded in popularity over the last 2-3 years.