EVE General Discussion

Really? You can't think of one? "Don't fly a billion isk killmail through an area that has fifty suicide ganks in the last four hours" leaps to mind for starters.

suspect flagging cargo/ship scans won't generate actual fights.

That's the dumbest thing I've heard so far today.

A scanning module costs about fifty thousand isk. It can be fitted to a noobship. If you think it would change anything aside from taking yet another potential set of options away from new players, you're wrong.

The neverending quest of the carebear to "feel better" continues.

I think ganking in general are a problem. Not so much of the ganking act itself but the hole impact on the lifing in high sec.

It is a known fact also stated by various sources ((like CCP)) that Low Sec and 0.0 offer a far better revenue by taking far higher risks. However talking to various Miners that move to 0.0 Space, they claim it is much safer and quiter There. Your Intel is organized and you can mine Stuff at good margins.
However Low is Considered an unordered Place with high risks, in which attacks can apply everywhere.
High Sec is claimed to be a secure Area. Enforced by Concord and Faction Security forces. Industrial Operation in Highsec comes there for with less revenue but at the same time with less Risks.
So far the theoretic view on the Eve universe by some people.

Gankers contradict this philosophy and damgeing this in a enormous way.
1) Moveing out of a system in another system only avoids an attack if you reduce your earnings. So you may go away but at the same time you loose. It is not much but it still is a descion that is more or less a loose loose choice for the miner.
2) Put a bounty on someone. Well the bounty system is a joke when it comes to ganker. I admit I do not know if it is working at all.
3) you can hunt ganker. Yea that works. A lot of them are not smart. To be honest they do the same dump mistakes as their prey. They just think they are on the safe side. But thats again for someone who takes fun in Mining and building not something he wants to do. And you need some courage to risk your ship attanking the bully in your system.

I think the ganking issue is currently a problem that has to be thought on. This problem could be answered by a good bounty market. There is currently no Market. You can bounty hunt, but it is more something of luck. A System that works around Killrights rather then a random bounty. Which is more direct and efficent.

Another point could to reduce the risk by construction defensive Mining Utlities that in order to cut losses. Remeber not every miner is able to fit tanky hauwlers. I think even a procurer in the hand of a fresh minerpilot is no match for a half competent suicide ganker.

Or improve the win in the Ganking risk areas. Currently you have far less risk in 08 system at by only a small drop in your revenue compared to 0.6 or 0.5 regions. And 0.8 is still gankable territory.

I think the problem is currently not out of hands yet, but it needs to be adressed in some form in the near to mid future.

A grown up is someone who accepts and understands that a PvP game has PvP in it.

(( I drop out from Aischas view here.

CCP is claiming they make a lot of changes in the sense higher Risk 2 higher revenue.
See Changes in crius.

That is not true for High. The 1-0.8 Systems are quite save. 0.5 System are completly different. I have seen people looseing 30k eHP Procurers there. I think the gain is not worth the risk today.
But at the same time 0.5 Systems are mostly interesting by position. So some Carebears did stop playing, some are frustrated and some simply arranged them self and takeing more logistics as a price for better safety and pulled out of 0.5 System.
Some people stayed takeing the challenge. But what for? The revenue is no match today for the risk you take.

Thats what I am talking about. From Aischas view of course. I hope with this view words it is more clear what Aischa says but can not say since she does know nothing off CCP. Yea I know it is wired, but it is challanging.

It does not matter what you fit, where you go, the game is getting insecure by time. I dont believe that this Information Channel crap or research your route is working for everyone. If I want to do stuff like that I would go into 0.0 space and miner there. A lot of Miner i know they say risk is equal however the "who" is the enemy game is far more relaxing because the Information they need is already prepared.

So most miners simply do not take fun in an enemy they not realy want and nobody is realy takeing care of gankers. There is no balance.
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70 pages so far of carebears and gankbears proving they won't undock if it means risking anything of value.

I believe it is a discussion of the inability to understand the other position.

I disagree. 30k Procurers? You are long enough in the game to know, that a 30k Procurer deserves to diaf. That has nothing to do with risk versus reward.

Also: It's fine to be risk averse. But if you are, you also have to act accordingly. If you don't, it's not CCPs job to fix your individual problems.

An easy solution would be to simply jump through any of the hundreds of gates or wormholes that lead out of that inherently flawed place called highsec.