EVE General Discussion

And that, folks, is way EVE has been going on for 11 years and counting.

Are you accusing me of making all that up as I went along ?


Well ... it is GD.

Tippia you are so mad it's not even funny anymore. Quit trying to troll people so hard because you're starting to derail the thread. Take a breath, read what the other person actually wrote on the forums, and then post an answer that actually has some thought and discussion in it. The world will be okay, just take a deep breath.


Now, to help you understand. Gankers don't have a small, minute target selection available to them through game-breaking mechanics. They limit their selection based on their own personal decisions: ISK. Why do you feel that catalyst are best option for ganking and that it should take 20-30 catalyst to gank an orca? It's ISK effieicent. Why do you feel that meta fit talos are effective in ganking large targets like freighters? It's ISK effieicent. If you are truly ganking people just to gank them, then finally let your balls drop and start flying 2.3k DPS vindicators and go gank those purple fit marauders running level 4's.

Really gankers complain they can't easily kill someone who's put a lot of ISK into their ship using ships that are cheap and replaceable

Tippia has always been fantastic at performing an exegesis on another persons posts

Well, you did the US a good deed. Teddy was bad for the country.

That's the template for government spending

If the missioner did less then watch netflix for 40 minutes, while browsing reddit on his phone with his feet up and beer in one hand, while waiting for the wtm call. Then yes you are correct he did put in less effort then me.

Or do you mean in the actual 12 seconds of combat? Where i was free to fly into optimal, lock up my target, overheat and when the call was made push f1? You know what! You're right! I earned that 30m payday for that gruelling 40 minutes of netflix and 12 seconds of intense combat which actually made me put my beer down.

Did I mention this was with a week old character in a 5m ship?

No I don't think suicide ganking needs a buff, no I would not call the act of suicide ganking difficult, nor would i refer to a half dozen ships warping to a target to push f1 overly "organized"

Yes i would say it's in a good place based on sp required, isk investment and payout per hour in high sec.

It's probably a dwindling career path because it's boring and the pay is garbage, which seems about right for the required investment.

Duplicate please delete

I have to start before I can quit, and I think you might have me confused with someone else if you believe that madness or anger (can't tell which you're referring to) is a factor.

Yes they do, because guess what it is that determines what they can kill in the given timeframe and without an obscenely imbalanced amount of manpower thrown at the problem? What do you think it is that determines the cost and pay-out of a gank? And no-one has said that the mechanics in question are game-breaking, only that if there is any kind of imbalance involved, it is heavily in favour of the target.

So I guess you've earned the same answer: nice pathetic try on the straw man and ad hominem. Or wait… no, it is nice, because when people start pulling out the fallacies like that, you already know where it's headed.

Are they? And if they are, that sounds about right. Putting a lot of ISK into a ship is not a valid reason for it being difficult to kill with cheap ships. That line of thinking is, in fact, one of the most painfully obvious roads to complete imbalance.

All of which is very predictable, and extremely well documented. In a well fitted ship missions are trivial and require so little effort that people have written software that do them automatically*

If we're talking people that run missions in undersized ships for the challenge then yes they have more to worry about, your standard run of the mill missioner doesn't do that, they simply follow the "script"

Yes, because missioners, myself included, are fed everything they need to know on a silver platter, gankers have to use their initiative, get their own intel and organise themselves.

Try being an FC, try organising a gank fleet etc
Planning, something the gankee often fails to do. If you're caught unprepared, it means you didn't plan well enough or use the tools at your disposal correctly. Last time someone tried to bait me into shooting at them in a mission space, I purposefully popped a trigger and dropped an Elite Frigate and Cruiser spawn on them, then warped out to let them deal with it.

Stupidity is infinite, as evidenced by the amount of people that fly into well known choke points blind. It doesn't get punished nearly enough, there's still a lot of it about.

*People who do this need to be terminated, in game, with extreme prejudice; then banned.