EVE General Discussion

Missing the obvious.

You sleep, you weep.

Some freighters got ganked, how many of them were AFK, how many could have gone around Aufay?
More importantly.
How many didn't get ganked? How many of these went around Aufay? How many were actually at the keyboard?

Suicide ganking takes a small bite out of total freighter traffic, probably only a few percent. Redfrog are one of the biggest haulers, even with their traffic volumes, they failed to complete just 0.12% of their contracts last year, some of which was probably due to suicide gankers.

25 mill for 20 Catalysts?
Would love to see this fit, @ ~1M each for the hulls that leaves 250k each for fittings

For freighter ganking I would assume T2 fit Catalysts, at 10M each. The value of the ship being ganked has no, and never should have any, effect on how much it costs to gank it. Regardless of cost a group of players working together should always be able to take it down. ISK tanking is a terrible idea.

So what if they're alts? I have specialised alts, you probably do too.

Planning ahead would be a good way to fight back, use the map, use DotLan and killboards, get someone to scout, scout on an alt. Sailing blindly into a choke point, or somewhere like Aufay recently, in a freighter is not a plan.

That's the point of playing a game like Eve, you have the freedom to watch it burn, or to fuel the fire, if you want to.

Balancing tank on isk cost is the single worst thing you could possibly do.

why not

i think that if there was a balance based on spent isk, it'd be between the isk spent on defending the hull versus the isk spent on attack. not the isk of the hull itself. there'd also be a balance between the total effort spent on the attack versus the effort spent defending, which is probably more important.

Cost is not a balancing factor. This has been proven time and time again in every game where it has been attempted (even in EVE, where this flawed thinking gave us supercaps, which remain a balancing ballache to this day). Again, if anything is out of balance it is the fact that it takes 20 people to kill 1.

Why not? Why should the value of the hull make any difference in how easily you can kill it?

No, never. What you're describing is a recipe for an utterly disastrous lack of balance in every regard.

uh, by 'isk spent' i really mean the quality of the assets put on the field, which is usually reflected by the market value but not always. or the total quality of the assets that will influence the outcome of the encounter. i don't think the freighter's value counts because its death or survival is the object of the pvp encounter, not the asset fielded to affect the encounter? i'd count the modules fitted as a defensive measure, or a defensive fleet's hull prices.

i'm not sure i'm explaining this right

Because it has exactly two results: massive imbalance and making almost everything in the game obsolete. Because if cost determines capability, you've reduced the game to a single stat — wallet size.

No, think the armoured can in a game. It should take a single (very cheap, disposable, and near-universally available) rocket launcher to take it out. Or better yet, think a bulk hauler in space game. It should take a single pirate ship to steal the entire load.

Answer the question: Why should the value of the hull make any difference in how easily you can kill it?

it doesn't.

Why?

They are good for the game, they remove items from the game, those items have to be replaced, which is where miners, industrialists and haulers come in. They're a part of what drives the economy, you can't just ignore that fact or remove them from the equation.

Not losing is by definition winning. If you manage to avoid gankers by scouting ahead then you do win, not dying because you planned ahead is as much PvP as shooting you in the face because you didn't.

If you want to put out fires, find ways to put them out, same as the gankers have found ways to light them.

You also assume too much, I'm a highsec bear not a suicide ganker, I do a bit of mining, I mission, I trade, I occasionally build stuff and I sell BPCs. Suicide gankers help to drive the market for minerals, certain modules and BPCs, some of which I trade in.

lol Armoured cars get knocked off by much smaller groups, $100 RPG Rocket + $200 Launcher is probably a great tin opener.

50+ pages on the metaphysics and morality of freighter ganking.

Ganking still continues to happen.

The EvE servers continue to tick.

A CCP community rep has addressed their stance on the matter.

And, lo and behold, the world continues to spin.

I think EvE "working as intended" has answered the OP.

/thread

/moonwalks out

/makes more courier contracts

:smug:



*Side Note*

Somehow saying "I told you so" to those who bleated for years "Y U NO GIVE ME FITZ FOR FREIGHTERS!!!!!!!111!!!!111oneone" doesn't really cut it, lol.