EVE General Discussion

Always with the just one more nerf. You literally just got freighters buffed and ganking nerfed and now you want even more?

No, learn to protect yourself.

The untankable wrath that is concord . All you need to do is tank them until they arrive and that is very easy to do with a skiff.

If you wanted one, you should not have chosen to fly non combat ships.

Heck, even a hauler has guns(barges can't because for balance sake they lose that in order to fit strip miners), there are a few guys who specialize in killing people with haulers and such. But the real answer to your question is that not dying is how you win against gankers if you are going to insist on continuing to mine. The ship he linked will pretty much never die, it costs about two times as much isk to kill it as it actually costs.

The binary, immersion breaking magic space police will kill the ganker for you.

You said Q-ship are not possible. That solo iteron V killed a battleship. This was before the buffs to haulers which has made them even better and the revamped deep space transports are downright nasty.

Haulers and mining barges are more than able to defend themselves. Christ, I used to hunt people in an iteron V. For a bit of nostalgia, if you look up issue 21 of the EON magazine (pages 48-56) you will find the 50 mil isk challenge. There were six ships that were picked to be showcased as good examples of pvp ships for 50 mil. To my amazement my litte iteron V got picked.

The only way to look at it and make it “an entirely PvE activity” is to completely ignore reality. At no point are you pitted against any part of the environment — everything you do is done in competition with other players. It's PvP through and through.

It also wouldn't be multiplayer, but rather a part of the X series of games.

If you remove the PvE, we have to rely on ship insurance as the only source of ISK, which is probably not enough to grease the market engine, and the economy would have to be barter-based. The system would still work, though — just be a fair bit more cumbersome.

The (PvP) market.
And again, no-one is saying that you have to take part in any particular activity. What we're saying that are not in full control of that choice — the activity may very well take part of you, irrespective of your wishes. Ignoring this very simple fact is indeed to play the game wrong. It is treating a multiplayer game as if there were no other players; it is treating the sandbox as if it didn't apply to those other players; and it is treating activities as if they existed in isolation from each other. All of those things are 100% wrong.

Again, it is just as possible to play a multiplayer sandbox wrong as it is any other type of game — in this case by trying to treat it as a single-player non-sandbox — and the whingers are frighteningly often doing exactly that. Their problems exist solely and entirely because they fail to play the game properly. There are really no two ways about it.

…and there is absolutely no reason to impose such a restriction, especially since the goal is very blatantly to indirectly trying to remove it completely. As baltec1 puts it: “just one more nerf” is the constant cry no matter how many nerfs are being rolled out, and they have proven beyond any doubt that they will not stop with the inane mewling until it is gone. They're being dishonest, and they're being hypocrites by trying do exactly what they incorrectly accuse the gankers of doing. They keep trotting out lie after lie to “support” their fully disproven fantasies about the state of the game.

Yeah, Concord is the weapon I don't like relying on, but it is the real reason I still mine. I want to be constructive, not destructive. Mining and manufacturing gives me that ability. I can't solo mine in an unarmed ship unless I'm under concord, so I can't mine in low, null, or wormhole.

Give me an armed miner and I will probably be in low waiting for that unprepared ganker. Until then, don't expect me to leave high sec.

Why don't I join a player corp? I did with earlier characters and was abused and disrespected in each case (more than 20 corps, total). So, I gave up looking for a good corp and decided to stay solo.

I play solo and I'm happy with it. Sure, there are risks and disadvantages I must deal with, but I am doing so. I accepted it and I am playing.

You speak in terms of PvP and wonder why someone who doesn't want to PvP doesn't appeciate it?

I am well aware the British were not always honorable. That is, after all, why their empire collapsed.

NO COUNTRY has a history without fault.

My comparision was the tactics, not the nations. A good response to it would have been to point out the US did the very same thing to the japanese during WW2 and succeeded. The main reason for that success was the japanese didn't deploy an effective counter... escorts were rare and they used no Q-ships.

CODE? They're EvE's version of organized crime. Yes, they're successful and that's the entire point of EvE. I do not compare in any manner to them.

I enjoy the game and what I have done so far. I plan to and hope to do more.

I will learn, adapt, and continue to play (at least until my account expires in November). When I no longer enjoy EvE, I will leave the game to those who do.

You have a problem with that, it's not my problem.

EDIT: I've been offered lessons in Pvp before... by people more interested in getting their hands on some of the ships I have. It was amazing how fast they disappeared when I showed up in a destroyer for the lesson and told them I'd use that battleship after I learned to fight.
Maybe you can explain why it's preferable to learn PvP in an Armegeddon instead of a Dragoon.

The EVE economy actually works entirely the other way. If there was no destruction, then all the veldspar that ever need be mined would already have been mined, and it wouldn't be worth mining at all, and all the veldspar miners would have then gone on and saturated the next resource until after 11 years (today), no resource would have any intrinsic value left at all.

There are truly ample survival tools in the game, if you decide that you personally don't want to pay the piper in that regard. I have lost 1 ship in null in 9 months, and purely down to be me doing dumb things with it, there was no actual need to lose it, it was not unavoidable. Surely given the tremendous restrictions on shooting your stuff in highsec, you can figure out how to use the tools that are good enough to survive in null, to survive in highsec.

Then you are asking for something that already exists.

Not for miners. And that's taking drones into account, which gankers do when they consider attacking miners.

Gankers attack miners knowing almost exactly what they need to kill the miner.

What I think is needed is a way miners can spring a trap and ambush the unwary ganker (who thinks he has a easy killmail coming).

The best way I see is to make combat rigs for the miners.

My idea (for the venture as an example):

one rig;
requires one small rig mount
requires 1200-1600 m3 of ore bay (thus, only miners can use)
provides one high slot for a small weapon
provides some shield, shield regen, capacitor, and/or capacitor regen

Note even three of this rig does not make the venture OP, but it does gives the Venture a chance to shoot back. It would be especially useful on the prospect since the prospect doesn't even have the venture's drone bay. Note also I did not include more drone use.