EVE General Discussion

Ganks On A Tight Schedule GOATS

You heard it here first folks.

At first, I said "Riiiiiight". Then I realized I qualified as one of those.

You see, I am ardently against gankers, particularly gankers who target ships that can not shoot back.

Notice I said nothing about targetting the AFK players. I think AFK hauling or mining is stupid.

I AM A SOLO MINER!!! I mine with Ventures, Retrievers, and Mackinaws. I do not AFK mine. I cycle my mining lasers so I am kept busy while mining.

I have developed a system where I can gain the isk to buy a exhumer (any of them) in 8-10 days without boosts.

Before Kronos, I discovered it did not matter how much tank was put barge or exhumer, when a ganker appeared, the miner died. Thus, it was stupid to tank. It was much better to fit for max mining yeild.

I have no idea how this has changed for Kronos. I retired my operating character (this character) to the forums and started a new one. The new character is presently training and I am purposely refusing to exit the station until trained for the functions I desired (which do NOT include PvP).

I have never operated in Low, Null, or Wormhole. I tried PvP only with my first two characters and found I did not like it (it's too immature for my tastes).

I mine, manufactor, and buy what I need/want. I have NEVER bought plex.

Why do I mention all this? I do not PvP and I run only one character (no gaming alts, only this forum alt). Yet, after just over a year, I have more than 100 ships (all four main factions plus about 2 dozen generic) and over 4 billion isk. I plan to collect every ship from the four main factions that can fly in high sec.

I know other players have more isk/ships, but my success without PvP should show it is NOT required.

My partner has just informed me that she had a GOAT called (I don't believe this ither, too apt)
badger
Who would watch tv through the living room window (the Simpson apparently).
Who would attempt to gank the Xmas tree and would eat the armpits out of the entire familys clothing.

Had to share.

ROFL :)

If by "Gave up ganking miners" you mean....

(Stats for the CODE. Alliance from June 1st 2014 to this moment)

646 Exhumers destroyed
773 Mining Barges destroyed
63 Industrial Command Ships destroyed
1300 capsules destroyed

Then yeah, we've given up :)

It's also VERY vital to point out that these stats are just for the CODE. Alliance - which is part of the New Order. If you were to count in every single miner that has been destroyed this month in the name of the New Order, you'd see even higher numbers.

So, no - we have not given up ganking miners, and if you take the time to do a little bit of homework - you will find that the numbers of miners destroyed by players in the name of the New Order has always gone up since the moment we started. Every single month. Without fail.

Yeah - there will still be an "occasional" gank. If by "occasional" you mean "More often then ever", of course. :-)

This is not a single player game. If you choose to work solo in non combat ship classes and refuse to work with others to provide combat support when it is required, you are free to do so.

As long as you remember that your decision to play in this way has no impact on game mechanics. The EVE client does not care that you are "against gankers", that you disapprove of targeting mining ships in combat, or that you do not wish to work with a group rather then totally alone.

I find that once you stop being "against" aspects of game mechanics due to your own personal e-bushido and instead simply look at the bigger picture and use the tools that every single player has at their fingertips - that pretty much every style of play you could imagine is possible. I know plenty of people who have given themselves the title of "solo miner" who are not "against" the way others players play, as they understand that the game gives them everything they need (Even a little too much, in my personal opinion) to do well at the thing they enjoy doing.

Actually a really bad idea not to train some rudimentary PVP skills. I don't mean SP, I mean the experience. To call it immature is a hasty generalisation based on your very limited capacity for PVP, and ironically, as a result, an immature conclusion itself. To pretend that you can avoid PVP by not training for it is like pretending you can avoid death in real life by eating 'organic only' and 'going vegan' etc.

There are those that PVP with exceptional skill, and talent. I've fought against them, I've fought alongside them, and I've learned from them: names like Blade VII, Perpetuum Myrkur, Praethis Starloe - these stick with me because of their ability in combat. I've seen Praethis confiscate a Merlin that a rookie put some armour rigs on, because it was a :badfit:, and then finish the fit to create an active armour Merlin, and then use it to kill a Vindicator. While I haven't come anywhere near this ability level yet, I've achieved some things that left me gasping for breath by the end of it - of note was an engagement against multiple enemies in Danera, including a Merlin, one pilot who reshipped from a Thrasher I killed to a Coercer, and a Myrmidon, all of which I fought in the same fight with my trusty Ishkur.

But here's the thing, I'm gonna forget your name in about five minutes, but those that I've PVP'd with, against, and learned from, their names will leave a lasting impression. Some of them, I call friends. I can't remember the last time I made friends with the boring kid who segregated himself in a social environment, and make no mistake, EVE is a social environment.

You call EVE PVP immature - I submit that you're playing a video game, making every activity immature and a waste of time. Except the players achieving great exploits in PVP are the ones people are going to remember, write about, and matter. They're the ones getting a say in the direction of the game. If you want to run off on your own and hide amongst NPCs and stations, why should anyone give a **** about you, or what you think about EVE? When you insult EVE's entire subscriber base by calling PVP immature, because it's ALL PVP, what makes you think your say should matter at all?

Agreed, although my alpaca wool underwear are a tad itchy.

Actually, I enjoy mining. Unlike most people, I find it relaxxing. I also go into manufactoring and build things. I enjoy that, too. Part of that may well be I've learned to have patience and to abhor violence. I learned as a trucker (19 years)

I guess I'm saying I just don't enjoy being destructive.

After my collection is complete, I'll look to expand my operations. I am in no hurry. I do not consider this a watse of a subscription, so it isn't

If that is inconceivable to others, there's a saying about different strokes that applies.

I now there's PvPers out there and gankers who love killing targets who have no chance of fighting because they have no weapons.

I just think there should be some way a miner or hauler could arm itself. Q-ships should be a fact of life in EvE. The ganker looking for a killmail should have to worry if that "easy kill" he is approaching is actually a disguised warship (with 'hell in space' DPS/alpha strike) that just looks like a juicy target.

As for my enemies? LOL. I have had many run-ins with the New Order and several other 'protection raketcs'. In fact, New Order in Warouh (or was it Warhou?) lost about a dozen Catalysts and/or Coercers chasing my Venture (a earlier character than this one). Those players put enough bounty on my character I retired him and started this one.

Now, I retired this one to the forums to run a new character.

In other words, you gave them exactly what they wanted.