EVE General Discussion

My point exactly.

Look at the role of a "freighter" in most any established piece of sci-fi, and you have almost a universal theme going - freighters are huge ships that are great at holding a lot of stuff and getting it from point A to point B, but due to the nature of being a GIANT floating brick who's purpose is transporting goods, freighters tend to rely on convoy style support ships to keep them safe from pirate attacks and make sure the goods get where they are supposed to end up.

People have to remember, this is a sandbox and what the player does with the tools they have is totally up to them. For too long, the players using freighters have built up a long standing tradition of flying totally alone, blind with no advanced scout, and defenseless with no combat or support escort to protect their cargo. CCP gives the freighter player all the tools they need to keep safe - but just fitting bulkheads and calling it good is not going to cut it. This is a social game, and perhaps recent events will result in freighter players actually engaging with friends to provide support, pay others for support, and stop trying to make money while AFK.

I see this all as nothing but a good thing, and a wake up call for the AFK solo player in a multiplayer sandbox.

This needs to be repeated.

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A solution presents itself: if a player really thinks that hauling is tedious, time consuming and boring he should use Red Frog for his hauling needs and join the gankers for fun. Just make sure the collateral is high enough. Two birds with one stone: your profit is assured thanks to the collateral and your selection of targets is also increased.

I still find it amusing that people are yelling at CCP that their game and company will die if they don't drastically change the game to protect clueless carebears and prevent their dumb ships from exploding. Ships killing other ships has been part of this game for ten years, how long until you realise that this wont change and that it isn't the game for you?

If only I could "Like"this a thousand times.
By the way you would be amazed if you knew how many players don't even know that the freighter services exist

I'm relatively new to Eve so I may be misunderstanding something really basic. From what I can gather Eves economy at the basic level revolves around the destruction and construction of assets.

So why are the people who are doing the dying and complaining not making space money hand over fist from the opportunities an activity like ganking provides?

The way I see it is that if stuff explodes there is a need to replace it, minerals need to be mined, stuff needs to be made, hauled to market and sold to other players to do so.

Miners, haulers, manufacturers and traders should be rubbing their palms together with glee at the oodles of space money to be made from it. Sure they'll suffer the occasional loss, which can be got around with planning and forethought, but overall if they grabbed the opportunity with both hands they should be able to profit considerably.

I mean if you honestly think "I spent more isk / spent more time pouring skill points into a thing therefore I should win" is a valid design, then you really don't understand balance or the ethos of this game.

Smarts, effort and teamwork win, it's always been that way. The good news is there is nothing that prevents freighter pilots from using smarts, effort and teamwork. The bad news is they dont WANT to, they just want to cry on the forums

I don't care how much it costs, how much SP you put into it, or how long you took to get it - if you insist on flying it alone and AFK and take no time to even bother to scout ahead when moving hardware of this value - you deserve to lose it. You have proven you should not be trusted with shiny things, as you have no respect for their value.

SP and ISK do not provide a free pass for players to make poor choices and not have to suffer the consequences of their actions. It never has, and it never will.

In the words of CCP: "Working as Intended."

Apparently miner bumping leads to miner ganking, and miner ganking leads to freighter ganking. Kind of like AFK mining is supposed to lead to bot mining.
Seems Eve players just have no self-discipline or control over themselves.

His idea is pretty much a big FU to anybody who does faction warfare or lowsec PvP. It locks them out the market hubs and highsec in general. They can get round it using alts but they shouldn't have to unless they want to.