EVE General Discussion

I think it is fine as it is. Stupid people getting blown op. Working as intended.

It is the same with the Burn Jita event which is spearheaded by the fun bunch of rowdy buccaneers which is the alliance i am part of. Yet, despite the numerous attention this event gets in the gamingpress and on all EVE related forums, people keep jumping their freighters into Jita in the weekend the GRR GOONS have their party at the top of the galaxy.

So, i think its working as intended, and should stay this way. You do not want your freighter blown up? Stick some bulkheads on it.

I have to agree negative sec status isn't really a punishment. The punishment would be grinding it back up.... either way it is really hard now to get to -10.... used to be in low sec you blow a ship your a criminal.. Now your just suspect so you have to go for the pod...

The easier way is to gank in high sec where you actually get a real sec status hit.

I feel some evidence would help this point.

Or go mine in high sec. Lots of people do that. I don't see the relation with your previous point though.


Go hang out with some gankers some time. You'll quickly find that this is not the case.

Actually, I doubt this. If they were flying freighters, they should know that being ganked is a risk. Actually let me ammend that. If they undock, they should know being ganked is a risk. They chose to risk a larger ship, and fly without checking proper intel. They got unlucky and paid the price.


This is possibly the worst "solution" I have ever seen to ganking being a "problem". What do you tell -10 low sec pirates that wish shop at a trade hub? They can't? It is not pheasible to play eve as a solo player without entering high sec in the current incarnation of the game. You talk about player retention, but want to get rid of more than a quarter of the player base. (low sec pirates, high sec gankers, and anyone in null/w-space that doesn't want to think about sec status).

Takes more skill than not setting your drones on aggressive, especially when someone that's not you is clearly inside your mission.

OP, this is the Aufay backstory, as far as I can imagine it.


A guy called James 315 decides to create something 'new' and 'big' in highsec.

He starts bumping and ganking miners.

He creates a pretty complex narrative around it.

He makes a blog, and posts every single day for over 2 years.

He garners readers, supporters, associates and over 350 Bil ISK.

He meets a guy called loyalanon.

They decide to blow up as much stuff as they can in Aufay, managing to achieve Burn Jita levels of destruction.

Some random forum alt (you) whines about it.


TL;DR: you're saying CCP should 'protect' your freighter instead of allowing dedicated EVE players to destroy it (and several others) after 2+ years of effort

OP, gtfo!


Alternative TL;DR if you're actually a CODE. alt: well played

And they laughed at me when I was running MWD-cloak in an empty Wreathe for "practice".....

Why is it suddenly 'beyond the pale' for empty freighters to be ganked?

First, if I was going to lose a freighter - I'd hope it was empty.

Second, do carebears really think there exists some kind of ''unspoken" rule that empty freighters should not be ganked? And if they are ganked - it requires CCP take action?

Ganking freighters doesn't actually provide any emergent gameplay for anybody.
Not even themselves, because sitting in station doesn't equal to playing a game at all.

Oh yes, sure, 30 sec to undock, strike, dock up again.

Wow, so much gameplay provided for everybody!


Anybody who believes they provide any meaningfull content to anybody
is just too dumb to realize the propaganda and too blind to simply
look at what reality shows him.


That being sad ... this is completely useless to even talk about.

The facts are laid out for everybody to see, but the propaganda machine easily
deals with the stupid masses successfully.


The game is too easy, especially for these wannabe bad guys in highsec.

Emergent game play is what makes this game great. EvE wouldn't be EvE if bad decisions were not punished regularly. HiSec is already too safe, and too easy a place to make ISK relative to the risk of other areas - why are these ganks a bad thing?

No one sheds a tear for the death of an AFK ratter, no one should be disturbed by the loss of an AFK freighter going through a known choke point. CODE. is simply organized so much more efficiently than its enemies that there is basically no way to stop them. I'm sure there are more people angry at them than they have gankers, they just refuse to organize or educate each other. If an organized resistance actually existed, or if there weren't great herds of easy targets, they wouldn't even be a thing. However, you are never going to see that happen as if anyone were organized, they wouldn't be in hisec. Thus, they really only have to deal with CONCORD, and npc mechanics can be mastered.

Which is what makes CODE. cryptic, and is indicative of the state of the game. Null has reached a critical mass of stagnation. There is nothing a small group of organized people can do in null, nor nothing they want to do out there. Rather, they turn in upon hisec where there is actual content, be that as it may. In an ideal world, Null would be a vibrant place, but it is not. Excessive hisec ganking is a symptom of a stagnant null and low, not a disease in an of itself. Its extremely easy to get into, you have free catalysts for life, and KMs are everywhere to be found. This is compared with other areas of the game, which are not easy to get into, can be difficult to stay ISK postiive, and finding fights is at least half the struggle.

There are no hisec mechanics that can be tweaked to change this without destroying the game.

Actually, CONCORD would not allow this. They would forbid capsuleers with less than -5 security status to use gates that lead to high sec, same as gates that are located there, and same as clone jumping to a station in high sec. They could still go thru wormholes to a systems in High sec.