Test Server Feedback

Hello citizens of Singularity,

Here is the 100% official feedback thread for research changes that are hitting Singularity today!

There is still ongoing discussion of specifics of blueprint data in the below-linked thread, but otherwise please feed us back here as much as you like! This post will be updated with more clarifications as we discover what people are confused about :)

Blueprint and research changes

Things that are on SiSi now:
- As detailed in this blog:
-- ME and TE are now in the new 1-10 system
-- Blueprints are transitioned to the new numbers (TBC)
-- Wastage is gone
- As detailed most recently in this thread:
-- All blueprint data has been completely overhauled
-- Copy should be 80% of build time
--- Gallente outposts to be revisited
-- Ranks have been assigned based on a reasonably coherent system
-- Manufacture and research times have been adjusted based on ranks
-- Invention times are now half T2 build time plus T1 copy and invent time, for the relevant quantities, so the two roughly line up
-- Invention now removes one run from the input copy
-- Invention now based around +2 ME/+4 TE rather than -2 for each
-- T1 material costs increased by 1/0.9 to compensate for removal of wastage
-- T2 material costs increased by 1.5/0.9 to compensate for invention ME changes; this number is incorrect and will be fixed soon
-- T2 items currently require 2x the T1 item; this is incorrect and will be fixed soon
-- Some special-casing and fuzzing has been done in certain places to make numbers more interesting

{Update}

***SHOWINFO IS NOT ACCURATE***

- No, invention literally just removes exactly one run from the copy during the invention job. All invention jobs now need one run. This is happening as we want to normalize copy time at 80% of build time; we've adjusted invention and build times so that end-to-end copy-invent-build times remain roughly constant.
- We're not fuzzing dynamically, we've just played with some static numbers to create a bit more variety. IIRC the main one is that larger items take slightly longer than you'd otherwise expect to invent, and smaller items take slightly shorter, so larger ones are more invention-bound and smaller ones more build-bound.

Nope, that's just the base value, sorry. Skills affect both independently, and TE still only affects build time. It's too much of a rabbithole to have those stats affect research jobs too.

Correct on both.

Attempted to undock my main character in a covert ops ship after a clone jump and the client crashed under Window 8.1 Loged back into main character and now sitting in ship in space. Problem seems to be confined to initial undocking process as once I've undocked once it appears to be.

Swapped to an alt to start a research job and that has failed to install the job as the cost is invalid Error.INVALID_COST ()
Job duration is 2:38 but Cost is 0 while using Hadonoo III Moon 9 which has research facilities.
A BPO (PE 0, ME 10) does get a time and cost for research so it appears only an unresearched BPO fails to research.

And still think the conversion of researched BPOs is bad, just plain wrong. Looks like we are stuck with this dumb conversion.

Swapped to what I thought was a converted fully researched BPO (PE 20, ME 10, waste 0.9%) and it is giving a time and cost to research. Job is now running. Maybe I have a very fundamental misunderstanding of this new process.

I need raw materials to start manufacturing jobs but client crashes every time I undock. Take that back, only crashes on initial undock then appears to be ok. Now I can get materials for invention and manufacture.

All invention jobs will spit out a max-run blueprint. Sorry, should've mentioned that, lots of plates spinning today :)

Ok, this could also fit in the Manufacturing section. But it would be really awesome if the system would either remember which division I selected for the input materials and which division I used for the output, or use the division where my BPCs/BPOs I use lie in by default.

As of now I have my BPCs I want to invent in division three and I always need to switch the location of the input materials from division one to division three.

And some questions regarding inventions:

I used to invent 400 max run BPCs so far for my T2 module production. Do the changes mean I just need to invent BPCs worth 400 runs to get the same results I had before? And, will the datacores get cheaper since it seems that inventions use more now or did I just miss something here?

Questions to do with UI are definitely better off in the Manufacturing thread, I'll ask Ytterbium to rename that one.



I don't follow exactly what you're asking here WRT 400, sorry.

Datacore numbers are broken, I'll fix them in a bit.



I'll look into why that job has started.

Allright, I'll try to explain it :-)

So far, whenever I wanted to start a new batch of production I copied BPOs until I had 400 BPCs with 300 runs each. I'm inventing them and at the end I'll get somewhere between 160 and 180 T2 BPCs with 10 runs each. And this is where my question starts. At the top you wrote that invention runs now remove a run from the input copy. So, if I use one character with 10 slots for my inventions now, I would just need 10 BPCs with 40 runs each to end up with 160 to 180 T2 BPCs with 10 runs in the end like before?

Yup. For modules, copy time is way down now that you only need one run per. Invention time is generally way up though, IIRC, so consider cross-training your copy alts into invention :)