Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Agree.Battleships should have an advanatage and now they won t have it.Hi Niko

Much rage and hyperbole? I've never heard of you or your corp and I sincerely doubt anyone else would know you either. And even if you were from a known PVP corp, your argument still wouldn't hold true. Nobody blobs anyone just because they are from a certain corp.

Your understanding of competent brawling appears flawed, approach & F1 works only in very limited situations where the outcome was pretty much decided on the fitting screen. This is exactly the same as in easy kiting fights- press orbit and F1. However, most engagements require the same piloting skills: manual flying, target prioritising, module micromanagement (active tanking is much more prominent in brawling than kiting), knowing when to disengage and having the skills required to accomplish that.

I have a few thousand solo and small gang kills across my characters, and I've flown both kiting and brawling set ups across all the ship classes (well ok, never flown the only kiting bs) and I honestly can't agree with your "intelligence and skills" argument favouring kiting. They are simply different methods, each with their strengths and right times and places.

I understand the need for smaller ships to be able to fly under the guns and missiles of Battles ships game wise.

though what I don't understand is the ease in which battles ships are tackled/webbed/jammed/ dampned, and the insane locking times Battleships have.

Battleships should not be rendered helpless by a single frigate so to speak

I think to make Battleships more interesting without, making smaller ships useless should come from E-war resistance.

this could be done by either giving E-war sizes like weapons, or by making them use more powergrid depending on the ships mass.

aside from that removing the extreme differences on the locking time between frigates and battleships should be one of the first steps.

sry i often disagree with Kagura Nikon but here "she" is plain right there is a huge problem in the game getting fights mostly your only chance is to fight while outnumbered. (not counting blob gatecamping or scaning mission runners etc...)
if you dont wanna die horribly when outnumbered you have to do kiteing tactics.

havt read the whole discussion between u2 but im against the mmjd in its proposed form cause i think it will break more than it will fix.

I'm sorry but that's simply not true on an objective level. People fight in EVE all the time, even we in deep wormhole space find fights on a regular basis. I've personally never had trouble finding the much valued "fair 1vs1s". This may be a matter of location in your case, and if you seriously have trouble finding good fights I'd suggest you move to another region.

Anyway, while this MMJD has the range issue (it's too long for tactical use on CBCs), I've yet to read a single even half-convincing argument that it would somehow reduce PVP.

No, ABCs can't fit MMJD.

I guess maybe you could always start flying a sniping Naga?

I can see it now - Face off - Sniping Nagas at 100k

How can they MJD if they are afk ratting?

Landing on grid uncloaked while hunting missioners, see anything wrong with that statement?

You want your solo playstyle supported but not any others, hypocritical much?

Good luck going anywhere in null if bubbles deployed after warp drag you out. Group travel will be mandatory unless the system is empty. Dictors will have warp speed rigs, acendancy implants and bookmarks midway between every celestial. One pilot could lock down a system for hours. Fun, maybe. Tell us how you like it after that sabre won't let you leave system because he warps faster; watches you warp, beats you to your target, drops a bubble and watches as you land in the bubble he just put up. Thanks, you just broke d-scan as an intel tool.

Asking for a removal of escape tactics when counters are easily available screams of someone wanting a care bear pvp twitch game. Go back to CoD.

For your enablement of pansification in those wishing to avoid combat with this proposal, we regrettably must add an unprecedented +5 to the Kill-It-Forward queue.

No less than five innocent carebears will be murdered in hisec, and advised it was because of your proposed changes.

Your heresies, our hands, their blood, your conscience.

F

p.s.
If every proposed change by CCP isn't washed through a 'does it increase or decrease the likelihood of conflict' ombudsman of HTFU, you have completely lost the plot IMHO.

I'm surprised so many people see this module as a possible get out of jail free card.

To me it has lots of potential to let us kill more peeps.

Yes if you want to tackle a CBC you may want to be thinking about a scram now for certain. CBCs have become a greatly reduced sight since the rebalances and nerfs prior to the release of the navy versions on them, I cant think of the last time that I came across a fleet of them anywhere.

So the MJD will perhaps make them seen a bit more both in low and 0.0 fights, this must be a good thing. Certainly beats only seeing fleets of drone assist nano ishtars. At least in a CBC it's you pushing the F1 key not the person that you assigned your drones to.

For myself I will be using small gangs of these ships to MJD TOWARDS the bad guys. People that like to kite battlecruisers, which lets face it at almost zero risk to them, so I for one welcome this module with open arms. I can see all these ships bouncing around the grid to enable warp ins (and yes get away) as rather fun.

The one change I would add is to allow the HIC focused point to work against MJD ships. This is a change that should have happened some time ago. At the moment all you get are snipe fleets at range warping around to avoid bubbles, or tengu setups that cant be probed. Where is the good old fashioned club wielding gang of BS / BC I ask? Consigned to history because range setups makes them very vulnerable, the MJD will hopefully restore this.

Oh and fit a fricken scram if you want to really tackle something. Complaining that you cant keep at range and kill the helpless ship is not a winning argument it just makes you sound like a gutless prick looking for easy kills.

Thanks CCP Fozzie for this change, well needed and much looked forward to by a lot of people.