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I don't think we are talking about the same things here.

If I am a trader, and I am just looking at the market, leaving aside logistics.

Your Arkonor, is 20 times more valuable to me, than Kernite.

I mean, that's what the table that I was referring to, was illustrating, price per unit, of ore.

Not m3.

I don't care if it took the Veldspar guy three times faster to mine his ore, by the time you get one refinable batch.

When you are at the market, you pay the price per unit, not price for m3.

That's all I was saying, to illustrate a point, not discussing mining profitability and how much harder it is, or easier to mine is, in the various spaces. That's a different can of worms.

With the buff to compression making it instant, the compression array so you no longer need a Rorqual, and more compressed ore fitting in to your cargohold, you have made it easier then ever to move the compressed ore to a station. Why in the world would you be willing to stick it in a Reprocessing Array and only get back 52-54%. You would have to be a mad man.

At lease Medium Intensive Refining Array will get new life after the patch. I think I'll buy some while they are cheap before they become useful. Assuming anyone actually makes them.

The price looks like it might be inflated already.

(Update) Material cost on an un-researched BPO puts it at 32 Million but is sitting at 44 Million. So, something like 38% markup at the moment...

Except that I wasn't discussing the value of mining, but the highsec refining nerf, and the array of skills needed for a new player to refine that Veldspar if they want to sell it relative to the actual depth of the mining system.

That this system is so closely related with other game systems (actual mining value), is not a can of worms that I myself opened. I, myself, am a trader, and I used my perspective as a trader in valuing ore per unit. A new player will likely do the same thing when they open the market window. That is neither inaccurate, or deceptive, it just doesn't take into account the actual mining profession. As I said, this isn't about mining.

I know, you will say, a new player is better off selling rocks, and that is right, but it's not okay when that is forced onto the entire space. You don't want to do that forever, especially when you want to branch into industry and also mine your own ore. That you are not cost effective producing local minerals, is right there a huge cost sink before you think about taking an item to market, because other minerals have to be imported from null. Now we can't refine our own local minerals, in our own space, because that will mean on the bill of materials for highsec minerals, you will accept a -10% ME, competing against products coming out of nullsec. Highsec refining is just simply not cost efficient, even with max skills and an implant, which takes away fundamental freedoms from the space itself, freedoms that we now currently enjoy.

That is another added wrinkle.

Is there no other way to boost null sec industry than to turn the entire highsec space into a labor space that churns rocks to be funneled into null? I don't believe that. You are the CSM, please try to work something out with CCP, that works well for both parties here, if we can't count on you, who do we turn to? Team Unicorns who made those tooltips? What are they going to do, tooltip my name to my name?

Think about the implication of these changes, for all of us. Because it seems, no one else at CCP seems to.

Yes, the new player retention aspects for this are awesome.........that's a joke BTW.

You made some eloquent arguments, but they fall on deaf ears when talking to Null Sec CSMs. Point being that this Reprocessing change has a two fold purpose , drive miners into null to serve the current S#*t lords there, the other to kill High Sec Market competition, basically a CCP social engineering scheme and most will fall for it hook, line and sinker.

It probably has been mentionend before and I just didn't catch it. Still.

With the reprocessing changes 425mm mineral compression is no longer viable. The new feature is Ore compression with the same compression ration.

My question is. How I am I suposed to use the low-sec, 0.0 reprocessing bonuses/advantages if I in the end end up with minerals I can not compress and as a result can not get to empire effectively.

1; Ore compression ratio is slightly less that of 425mm
2; I think you seriously got this backwards. You compress ore in NUL take it to Jita and sell. Or, you buy ore locally in nul compress it, move it to your outpost and reprocess it to build.

I suppose you will be able to try and sell minerals in Nul but unless you are selling them in outposts with lots of manufacturers, you probably won't sell much.
Transporting minerals to highsec to sell... Who would bother?
With a couple of exceptions, it will be better to haul compressed ore and reprocess in highsec.


mynnna
Bad attitude,
lacking ability to understand another's point of view,
over critical and rude,
no real contribution to the conversation just straightforward insults

And sadly due to the Goon Alt army, representing the player base for a year. This is going to be a bad year for CSM.
At least the CSM everyone Loves to Hate has been identified early.

Not sure who you are responding to here, I don't in recent posts at least see where anyone suggested you could compress minerals.

It was actually suggested by someone that mineral compression might be good, about 80 pages back. But, doing that only ends up with 425mm rail mineral compression on a larger scale.

And IMO an increase in cost of Compressed and Uncompressed Ore too as many people will still be compressing for Low/Null industy operations

i know im coming in a bit late to this discussion (just came back to eve from a hiatus) i do agree completely with the propossed changes thou i would like to see the terms refine and reprocess kept separate as they are currently. I personally like to know that if i pick the refine option then im only using the ore type items and makes quick refining that much easier and less mistake prone and clearly marks which skills are for refining and which for reprocessing.