Player Features and Ideas Discussion

That was a most amusing troll post, if you seriously believe all of that then I pity you...

That extreme isn't very extreme, for one, but its limiting factor was also able to be adjusted upwards. That is not always the case. In fact, I'd say that it's very rare that it's the case.

But even in your example, look at what those extremes have done: we accept a new upper bound for hauling volume that is 20% higher. That's effectively just one T2 rig. But look what they had to do to compensate for the fact that you can fit three rigs: the other two had to be completely swallowed up by the nerf.

And cargo is a very slight adjustment on the scale of things. Let's take the oft-mentioned DCII for instance. If you could fit one of those on a freighter, you'd almost triple its EHP, before we even fit anything else. That's so way over the top, and it comes so cheaply, that the baseline hull, shield, and armour values had to all come down to compensate so the end result — should someone be so evil as to fit one — would maybe only be that 20%. The mere possibility to fit a DCII requires hull HP to drop by nearly 50%.

Now do this same calculation across every statistic and every possibility and you'll end up with massive nerfs across the board. Of course, you have a limited amount of slots so you can't compensate for all of them — at most you can push one up to the extreme value, or perhaps more sanely, you can push one up to its previous value and compensate a second one half-way. That just leaves every other stat on the ship worse off than before.

Remains to be seen, but one of the CFC posters in this kind of threads (was it Grench?) said, they would not require their members to do this kind of labor. So ... go figure.

Until someone will start to actually do what you refer to as infeasible and cut the prices, of course.

considering there's always someone that says this regardless of what's been announced, i honestly don't think they care all that much.

Odin help you.

Excellent, thank you very much for that. Pretty sure a bunch of wormhole guys are in the hospital with heart attacks though.

Just to make sure I've got this straight for Freighters (all numbers are for a Charon with level 5 skills, relative to current):

Option 1, 3 x cargo rigs: +64K m3 cargo, -12K EHP
Option 2, 2 x cargo rigs, 1 x hull HP rig: -117K m3 cargo, +12K EHP
Option 3, 3 x hull HP rigs: -391K m3 cargo, +73K EHP
Option 4, 3 x warp speed rigs: +0.78 AU/sec, -293K m3 cargo, -6K EHP

This is a nerf. You can slightly improve one stat, at a high cost to one other, or at a decrease in multiple stats. Maintaining the status quo for defense means a drop in cargo. So the question is whether this is as intended, like it is with Jump Freighters.

Knew I was right

Cargohold Isotope/LJ m3/isotope/LJ Difference
Nomad 270000 2700 100
195000 4050 48.14814815
Ark 275625 2900 95.04310345 5%
199000 4350 45.74712644 5%
Anshar 281250 3100 90.72580645 10%
203000 4650 43.65591398 10%
Rhea 294375 3300 89.20454545 12%
207000 4950 41.81818182 15%


With the proposed changes the Rhea becomes even more uneconomical to use. As the premium to move a m3 with a Rhea increased from 12% to 15% over the Nomad. Also shouldn't the jump engines be equally efficient?