Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Ok the thing about MJD's is they really aren't all that situational. Any Sniping platform will be easily able to use them, and lets be honest, most battlecruisers can be made into sniping ships, especially the Naga, etc. The attack Battlecruisers for the most part will not need an MWD, because burning with large long range guns is dumb. The MMJD allows them to reposition without warping ( at this point what is the point of probing down snipers, if they are aligned they warp, if they get caught and bubbled they MMJD). Other battlecruisers will have options to dual prop, which will reduce tank, but they are sniping ships so I mean tank is whatever most of the time.

Where you will see this being even more annoying is bricked tanked battlecruisers, just like the BS they will sit and tank and brawl, and if they want to leave, they just can, unless you have a swarm of frigates with scrams (which is generally suicide with medium guns.

The problem is that battlecruisers are fairly agile, and with MWD's battlecruisers are difficult to hold down. So what does this mod allow for gameplay, really just a lot of running away. The counters to it are too little to allow some sort of adequate counter to it, cause allowing one mod to stop it, is pretty bad for gameplay and variety.

Welp what a horrible change. Small gang/Solo gets nerfed again. Battleships also getting indirectly nerfed. How about some development in tackle CCP?

This strategy of increasing survivability with so many ships is killing small gang pvp. As a solo/duo pvper it's very hard to find targets any more because most people can avoid combat in one of a billion ways.....and this is another step. I'm not even going to bother explaining the obvious problems with kiting after this change either.

that made me giggle.

I'm just going to say that Attack battle-cruisers are already very hard to pin down. This will really only make it worse... It may be a good idea to look in to making it so ABCs can't use this MMJD.

Also the range and recharge time should be smaller, to that there is a distinct difference between battleship and battlecruiser combat. Something like 60km and 2min recharge would make things much more interesting.

I've used large MJD a lot, and I can't wait to try these!

Though I think 50-75km jump range and 6-9 second spool-up would be more fun and balanced for everyone since battlecruisers already operate with more speed and shorter range. It would also keep it around the same jump-range:lock-range and align-time:spool-up-time ratio as battleships.

I like the idea of a MMJD for BCs, but only if it was shorter jump range. Around 50KM would be a good spot. And perhaps a shorter spool time.

100km is too beneficial to ABCs. Continue to force them to make tactical bookmarks or have scouts burning out to warp to if you want them hopping around sniping. 100km is also too long of range for combat BCs that would more than likely be hopping far outside of their ranges. Unless the plan is to only have it as an escape tool... which I do not agree with.

Cool, I like it.

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Thread reopened.

so basically this is a buff to attack battlecruisers. STILL no point in flying normal bc's or commandships.

make attack bc's even harder to catch.

this could only work if they make scrams 70k or attack bc's cannot use these mods. otherwise. do not put this module in game.

absolution? 3 mids? so you gotta have a micro on the abso because its slow. then you gotta have a MJD. then your stuck with a point or an injector. no no no.

ok ccp, why dont we just take out warp disrupters then!!!