Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Oh -- I think I answered my own question. The JF agility adjustment is meant to compensate for the potential for rigging the Jump Freighter for agility.

My question then becomes "do you think that there is a compelling reason for anyone, ever, to rig for agility?" Jump freighter usage is all about cargo, cargo, cargo. Increasing your cargo reduces the number of trips you have to make, period, which serves to both reduce the amount of fuel you consume and the amount of time you spend running cargo. Messing with the agility only really serves to increase the amount of time you spend doing nothing, without significantly affecting the amount of freight you move.

The only real situation in which you'd want to rig for agility is if you had a habit of jumping to beacons a lot, I guess. Even then, the fuel and time savings of just rigging for cargo would vastly overwhelm the short amount of time you'd save aligning at a beacon.

Wow, that's a pretty terrible nerf to JF.

So, the cost for a jF is now higher due to the need for t2 capital cargo rigs, their agility is worse, and you want to double/triple/quadruple (really, the sky is the limit here) fuel costs for them.

I'm really not impressed. Any nerf to JF is a direct nerf to 0.0, and more severe the further out you go. With no apparent thrust from CCP to decrease highsec dependency of 0.0, I don't quite get what this is supposed to accomplish.

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Quite the nerf to freighter too. Pretty bad.

If anything, both t1 and t2 freighters needed a healthy buff. T1 freighter's EHP has been the same for ages but the effort to gank them has steadily gone down with the introduction of the talos, improved catalyst and rigs. There is no compelling reason to rig for speed and rigging for EHP doesn't increase EHP nearly enough to matter. So the Orca is still the only somewhat high-cargo transport for valuable cargo unless people have the cash for a JF.

Overall, this seem to be poorly thought out. What are you trying to achieve?

…but it then gets gutshot by the Nozzle Joints I will have to fit to make it not behave like a drunken cow.

Figured as much.

Yeah… again, there's a reason why I've always been against this idea.

Weeeeell… exactly what it would do and how was always up for grabs, but that you'd end with a net change to the ship that made it worse than before was entirely expected. People just couldn't get that idea through their heads and thought that somehow rigs would only make things better in one area you could pick.

It's exactly what Loyd said — be careful what you ask for and all that.

As if freighters weren't expensive enough, now you have to spend big dolla for capital rigs to make them even remotely useful. Fabulous

I have only used my JF for one trip to null and back
Now this.

The cargo reduction from the HP rigs seemed a completely sensible penalty for using them.

This, this is just meh.

well it's something people asked for, repeatedly.

they were told to be careful what they wished for.

Anyone want to buy a Nomad?

These changes are ******* stupid. Can you stop just changing things to change things? It does not validate your work to be screwing up the things that are right when there's other ships that actually need the rebalancing efforts.

Also, again these changes are at cross odds with the supposed intent to make localized production more possible in null- YOU STILL WILL ALWAYS HAVE TO IMPORT/EXPORT.


So your solution?
LOL EVERYTHING USES MORE FUEL AND ALL THE JFS CAN HOLD LESS AND ARE LESS AGILE


Stop swinging around like a 5yo in the dark with a baseball bat. This isn't quality balancing, it's dogshit

RHEA
Most other JF lose about 75,000m3 to 78,000m3 base cargo
Rhea loses 87,000m3 base

That means Rhea gains about 1% cargo with T2 rigs
382,000m3 would be the $5 increase with T2 rigs instead of the current 371,000m3 proposed

Rhea use the most fuel by far or is fuel being normalized? like carriers, dreads etc??