Science & Industry

exactly, all the blabla about something I didnt even say. 2 totally separate statements, when talking about quoting = missquoting.

also I think this discussion should has found it's natural end since this happened https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4587658#post4587658
wich made pretty clear that all assumptions regarding a removal were wrong ( I know, nobody said that anyway)

now have fun backpedaling

The whole issue i have with the T2 BPO stuff is that some people got lucky in the past and that they apparenty have received and "ISK printer", which makes manufacturing T2 stuff easier and more profitable than the normal way of invention + BPC generation. This is not a level playing field for an starting industry player, knowing that I can never catch up time wise and money with the "old money" which has T2 BPO's and ME 200 T1 BPO's. I applaud the industry changes to level the playing field so new industry players can catch up and actually compete with the jita 4-4 establishment without paying "tribute" for higly researched T1 BPO's and rare T2 BPO's.

Having T2 BPO's in game is like having apartheid form the "haves"against the rest of the community. This should be corrected so that there is a level playing field for everybody. Although removal may be a bit harsh, but adjusting the ME values or invention decryptors so that costs are comparable would resolve the issue of this unleveled playing field.

I dunno about anyone else, but I've never owned a T2 BPO, I don't plan to and I sure as **** don't feel oppressed.

Sure, it's here. Specifically it says:

actually it means quite a lot what A Dev says(who reprents CCP, not his opinion in this case) . at least more than what 1000 ppl like you think/guess/mumble

What Nex said.

Also, if you don't believe it, then please, buy all of the T2 BPOs you can. Your bad investments are not an issue for me. But when they get nerfed into non-existence, you damn well better not be back here crying about it.

lol, he didn't have a beer in his hand, he was in the industry panel, specifically answering a question about T2 BPOs. Yes, I take more from what he says that a dev who is stopping rumours on the forum with a snippet of text. Perhaps if he made an announcement post it would hold more power.

And the removal of T2 BPOs makes sense. They are an old mechanic which is no longer used and they make it difficult to work with invention mechanics as they have to watch how it affects T2 BPOs. So the options are separate them or remove them. Well separation was suggested in the panel and they outright stated that they would not be doing that. They also explicity stated that T2 BPO value would be goign down, and stated that there would be a "transitional plan" rather than just taking them away and saying "screw you". You can go watch this yourself if you want and make your own conclusions. But all of that leads me to believe their time is limited, and with them taking years to become profitable that's something people will want to consider sooner rather than later.

But honestly, if you don't want to believe it and you want to bury your head in the sand, then go right ahead. I don't actually care where you invest your isk, but if they remove them and you lose billions, then don't come crying on these forums about how mean it is, since you were given adequate warning.

lol, such sarcasm.
I love how people are so dead set against the CFC, that everything we do must be a manipulation. What people fail to realise is that if we were manipulating, we could be doing it either way. I mean we might be purposely telling you the truth aggressively so you'll think we are manipulating so you do the exact opposite and start buying T2 BPOs, right? That's just as reasonable an assumption as us wanting to get people selling. Of course, there is also the possibility that we don't actually care either way, but want to ensure people are 100% definitely aware that T2 BPOs are a bad investment so that when people invest in them and lose out we can say "but you were told right here [link]".

In truth though, it doesn't matter. You've got all the info, you've heard all the opinions, now make your own decisions. If you think T2s are a good investment, buy, if not, don't. That's entirely your choice.

Why the heck you dare to discuss with lucas? Don't you know he's always right?

eh?
you sure about what? the removal? really? even after CCP stated in the easiest and clearest words they would ever do that they won't do that

but yea reading between all these lines I know you have found the truth about their real intentions.

I mean right now the water is up to your chest and you didnt understand that the ship is lost.



right, so what one DEV said in the offcial Forums... even with the very clear words (rare for CCP) "An FYI to cease the rumor mongering that is happening in this (and other) threads:" Means absolutely nothing because it already happened once that a another CCP dev said on a external and unrelated forum and changed his mind a week later.

So when they are playing oposite day all the time they might even boost all T2 BPO's and nerf invention to the ground, did a DEV ever controverted it? probably true then.



pretty harsh to call something a bad investment that cost me about 10% of what it's worth now and has prolly made 500% profit of the invested isk by now