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A message regarding vandalism of the EVE Universe Monument

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James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#121 - 2014-05-07 21:29:04 UTC
I read that this wasn't the only incident where the monument was damaged, just the only one where the perp decided to publicly brag about doing it.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
admiral root
Red Galaxy
#122 - 2014-05-07 21:38:38 UTC
Andski wrote:
how many people does it take to scratch an aluminum plate

four, apparently


Must have been highsec carebears :P

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James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#123 - 2014-05-07 21:42:37 UTC
admiral root wrote:
Andski wrote:
how many people does it take to scratch an aluminum plate

four, apparently


Must have been highsec carebears :P

Scratching out names on a monument is like the epitome of pubbiedom.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
The Slayer
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#124 - 2014-05-07 22:00:43 UTC
If their alliance mates shopped them I can count on their names not being secret for long.
Dieu LeVeut
Olde and Ineth The Way
#125 - 2014-05-07 22:07:00 UTC
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Trish Tokila wrote:
mkint wrote:
Hmm... some of the guys involved turned themselves in, and still got perma-banned? Not condoning what they did in any way whatsoever, but doesn't such a harsh response disincentivize people in the future from admitting to what they've done while drunk?


Instead of facing international criminal charges, potentially spending time in real-person jail, and outrageous fines to replace this, the player can no longer play this online video game. Not only that, but CCP won't tell the community who to lynch.

Yeah, he's quite lucky that CCP has taken a lighter approach on this. A much more heavy fisted approach would not be out of line in this scenario.

Remember, he didn't blow someone's spaceship up without their consent. He's committed actually serious crime. In a world that's actually real whether we want it to be or not.
Pretty much this, and being drunk is a defence that won't stand in any court that I know of.

The monument defence force for next years FanFest will look like this.



Wait, what? Only ONE Lefty, in the whole group? ;)
Locke DieDrake
State War Academy
Caldari State
#126 - 2014-05-07 22:12:52 UTC
mkint wrote:
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Trish Tokila wrote:
mkint wrote:
Hmm... some of the guys involved turned themselves in, and still got perma-banned? Not condoning what they did in any way whatsoever, but doesn't such a harsh response disincentivize people in the future from admitting to what they've done while drunk?


Instead of facing international criminal charges, potentially spending time in real-person jail, and outrageous fines to replace this, the player can no longer play this online video game. Not only that, but CCP won't tell the community who to lynch.

Yeah, he's quite lucky that CCP has taken a lighter approach on this. A much more heavy fisted approach would not be out of line in this scenario.

Remember, he didn't blow someone's spaceship up without their consent. He's committed actually serious crime. In a world that's actually real whether we want it to be or not.
Pretty much this, and being drunk is a defence that won't stand in a any court that I know of.

Just to be clear... you think any country would extradite someone over vandalism? Isn't that just a misdemeanor? They might get perma-banned from iceland, but be realistic. Most people don't consider vandalism to be that big a deal (unless it happens to themselves.)



You sound young. No offense, but adults that actually own things take vandalism pretty seriously.

I can tell you had I found someone defacing my property in the middle of the night, they would be DAMN lucky to only be arrested for it. Frankly, a little pistol whipping isn't outside the possibilities.

Will someone be extradited? No, not likely, but a British or US citizen might find themselves in a court of proxy being charged in absentia. It happens every day. I know nothing about icelandic law, but if it's anything like US or British law, the offenders are in for a world of hurt.
Ritsum
Perkone
Caldari State
#127 - 2014-05-07 22:14:32 UTC
Doc Fury wrote:
What steps has CCP taken (or plans to take) to prevent future abuse/vandalism of the monument?


Gunnar Nelson now stands guard 24/7.

Also good to see this get resolved.

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Graabeerd Khagah
MoonFyre BattleGroup Holdings
#128 - 2014-05-07 22:36:08 UTC
@CCP Falcon, I am sitting here feeling your pain and want to let you know I share it with you. You and the rest have done so much that we don't give you credit for and yet this had to happen. But in all honesty CCP and Eveonline will move forwards, it will move forwards now to greater heights never before imaginable in so many ways.

And to all here, lets bury this subject now and move on to what is going to be another exciting chapter in the history of Eve.

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Maria Firn
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#129 - 2014-05-07 22:37:36 UTC
mkint wrote:
Hmm... some of the guys involved turned themselves in, and still got perma-banned? Not condoning what they did in any way whatsoever, but doesn't such a harsh response disincentivize people in the future from admitting to what they've done while drunk?


Really ? you think it was too harsh ? sorry but it was too lenient a sentence.

This sends a clear message that being an asshat and a douchebag will not be tolerated. Maybe those members of the community that like to take things to the extreme and seek attention will re-evaluate their behaviour in and out of game as well as their behaviour to other members of the community who have until now tolerated them and their actions.

Not mentioning names but its a shame that there are still a known bunch of dicks in the game who continue to tolerate and harass others who just want to play Eve and enjoy the game. Its about time CCP took a zero tolerance approach on harassment and bullying especially when it crosses over into the real world.
Brusanan
Free State Project
#130 - 2014-05-07 22:43:56 UTC
mkint wrote:
For some reason, I suspect that people prone to vandalism or other RL crimes might not take the same view. If you confess and have a 100% chance of getting a beating, but if you deny the crap out of it, you have a chance of getting off scott free, why ever confess?

And hell, other people brought it up, so why not... why does urging a couple thousand people to drive someone to suicide not result in anything other than a slap on a wrist, but putting some marks on a chunk of metal result in "pursuing punishment to the full extent of the law"?

Maybe those people who are "prone to vandalism" should consider not destroying other people's property? Or is that not an option for them?

I'm happy to finally see a delicate situation that CCP actually handled well.
Lors Dornick
Kallisti Industries
#131 - 2014-05-07 22:48:20 UTC
Xenuria wrote:

I also have a question, the people that got banned permanently from EvE; can I have their stuff?

Since all banned assets are handed to Dr.E's box of toys you'll have to wait for the good Doctor to rage quit and hand out all the goodies ...

CCP Greyscale: As to starbases, we agree it's pretty terrible, but we don't want to delay the entire release just for this one factor.
MotherSammy
Clan Sammy Trade Empire
#132 - 2014-05-07 22:53:13 UTC
Maria Firn wrote:


This sends a clear message that being an asshat and a douchebag will not be tolerated. Maybe those members of the community that like to take things to the extreme and seek attention will re-evaluate their behaviour in and out of game as well as their behaviour to other members of the community who have until now tolerated them and their actions.

Not mentioning names but its a shame that there are still a known bunch of dicks in the game who continue to tolerate and harass others who just want to play Eve and enjoy the game. Its about time CCP took a zero tolerance approach on harassment and bullying especially when it crosses over into the real world.


You're straying dangerously close to off-topic, rebel.

Good work on handling this CCP.
Arokh
Ethereal Spectrum
#133 - 2014-05-07 22:53:39 UTC
Maria Firn wrote:
mkint wrote:
Hmm... some of the guys involved turned themselves in, and still got perma-banned? Not condoning what they did in any way whatsoever, but doesn't such a harsh response disincentivize people in the future from admitting to what they've done while drunk?


Really ? you think it was too harsh ? sorry but it was too lenient a sentence.

This sends a clear message that being an asshat and a douchebag will not be tolerated. Maybe those members of the community that like to take things to the extreme and seek attention will re-evaluate their behaviour in and out of game as well as their behaviour to other members of the community who have until now tolerated them and their actions.

Not mentioning names but its a shame that there are still a known bunch of dicks in the game who continue to tolerate and harass others who just want to play Eve and enjoy the game. Its about time CCP took a zero tolerance approach on harassment and bullying especially when it crosses over into the real world.

However I believe the point is that CCP did offer an olive branch to encourage the guilty party/parties to turn themselves in and thus far from all we've been told it would appear that didn't really benefit them over the ones that tried to hide from their crime, so there was no real reason for them to do so despite CCP seeming to imply there would be. It would just be nice if someone from CCP could detail what they did for those that voluntarily turned themselves in so if anything like this were to happen again CCP would have the credibility to make a similar offer.

Aside from that, I could go into detail about how CCP seems very inconsistent with their supposed "zero tolerance" but CCP will do whatever they ultimately want to do even if it smells a bit of double standards.
Abrazzar
Vardaugas Family
#134 - 2014-05-07 23:00:40 UTC
Arokh wrote:
However I believe the point is that CCP did offer an olive branch to encourage the guilty party/parties to turn themselves in and thus far from all we've been told it would appear that didn't really benefit them over the ones that tried to hide from their crime, so there was no real reason for them to do so despite CCP seeming to imply there would be. It would just be nice if someone from CCP could detail what they did for those that voluntarily turned themselves in so if anything like this were to happen again CCP would have the credibility to make a similar offer.

Aside from that, I could go into detail about how CCP seems very inconsistent with their supposed "zero tolerance" but CCP will do whatever they ultimately want to do even if it smells a bit of double standards.

You have no idea what happened, who got how much lenience for what because none of those details were actually given out. Your whole argument is based on a big fat assumption, with emphasis on ass.

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Chopper Rollins
hahahlolspycorp
#135 - 2014-05-07 23:01:43 UTC
Adrie Atticus wrote:
mkint wrote:
Hmm... some of the guys involved turned themselves in, and still got perma-banned? Not condoning what they did in any way whatsoever, but doesn't such a harsh response disincentivize people in the future from admitting to what they've done while drunk?


In real world (where the monument resides), actions actually have consequences. You want to turn yourself in? Good for having a spine. Want to run away forever? Coward.


Own up = right thing to do.
Not own up = logical thing to do.
Ethics and logic overlap sometimes, but aren't interchangeable. Run away forever? Winner! Roaring with laughter!!

This was a lame and childish incident, to hear there was more than one involved is more of a bummer. People calling for beatings and such is even sillier.
All over now, first post in this thread was pro, thanx.



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Arokh
Ethereal Spectrum
#136 - 2014-05-07 23:04:50 UTC
Abrazzar wrote:
You have no idea what happened, who got how much lenience for what because none of those details were actually given out. Your whole argument is based on a big fat assumption, with emphasis on ass.

Exactly, nobody knows what happened, so if the perception is that all vandals were treated equal would it not benefit CCP to detail what they did different for those who turned themselves in? If courts regularly appeared to dishonor plea bargains, then nobody would accept them, and that doesn't help anybody.
Abrazzar
Vardaugas Family
#137 - 2014-05-07 23:06:59 UTC
Arokh wrote:
the perception

You mean "your perception". You see what you want to see just to have an argument.

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Arokh
Ethereal Spectrum
#138 - 2014-05-07 23:08:21 UTC
Abrazzar wrote:
Arokh wrote:
the perception

You mean "your perception". You see what you want to see just to have an argument.


No, I mean "reading the thread and finding plenty of posts with similar questions". But you can believe what you wish. :B
Luxotor
This Cyno Will Eventually Make Sense
#139 - 2014-05-07 23:10:56 UTC
Happy about the proactive approach CCP has taken to this issue.

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Sahriah BloodStone
State War Academy
Caldari State
#140 - 2014-05-07 23:24:36 UTC
Well done CCP. My only hope is that you also force them to pay for the repairs

Sahriah Bloodstone

No.Mercy // Triumvirate

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